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Poll Results: Are you interested in this new Sugo SG13?

 
  • 93% (242)
    Yes
  • 6% (16)
    No
258 Total Votes  
post #1081 of 2739
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Originally Posted by Anusha View Post

The PSU fan and the pressure of the radiator dan has to do all the work sadly.
an excellent mod would be to replace the PSU fan with one of the excellent fans like gentle typhoons or noctua fans.

more efficient HSF makes heat transfer per unit of airflow better, so getting the best HSF and pairing it with an excellent fan would result with the most optimal temperature.


Quote:
Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

Temperatures effect voltages to the extend the that cpu is throttling. A non-K i5 chip doesn't throttle with an AIO cooler (or the stock cooler).

You also don't adjust voltages on an non-K chip.

doesn't matter if it throttles or not, lower temps is always better.
there'd be less ambient temp increase inside the case, specially if you're using rad intake to dump all that heat inside the case.

i do, my i3 currently has a -0.15v offset, dropped temps from 72c to 62c.
theres no reason for not undervolting non-K chips.
Edited by epic1337 - 9/17/15 at 10:18pm
post #1082 of 2739
Quote:
Originally Posted by epic1337 View Post

an excellent mod would be to replace the PSU fan with one of the excellent fans like gentle typhoons or noctua fans.

more efficient HSF makes heat transfer per unit of airflow better, so getting the best HSF and pairing it with an excellent fan would result with the most optimal temperature.
doesn't matter if it throttles or not, lower temps is always better.
there'd be less ambient temp increase inside the case, specially if you're using rad intake to dump all that heat inside the case.

i do, my i3 currently has a -0.15v offset, dropped temps from 72c to 62c.
theres no reason for not undervolting non-K chips.


"temps have quite a profound effect on the chip's voltage" uhmm no, not a profound effect. voltage has a profound impact on temperatures, but temperatures do not impact a running voltage (unless you're throttling, as I mentioned)

"bringing the temps lower will allow you further tighten the voltage" stability at any given frequency is suggested to slightly increase with a lower temperature... As for whether it does or not, is nearly impossible to confirm because of confounds.

"as for the point of that, lower temp = lower voltage = lower power consumption = less heat byproduct = lower RPM fans = quieter unit" Assuming lower temps can produce a lower voltage, sure, all of that is true (also assuming that the lowered RPM fans don't bring the temperature back up again)

"with this tight space of a case, reducing as much heat source as possible makes for a whole lot of difference." a whole lot of difference? haha, maybe a slight exaggeration. lower temps are always great, but perhaps you're overstating things.

As for undervolting, you're at the mercy of the silicon lottery. Good luck moving a Vcore more than 0.1v downwards on an i5 chip (assuming the mobo will support it). Grats on your 0.15Vcore undervolt though I guess?
post #1083 of 2739
Using the Fury Nano in this case is not a good idea if we are using a radiator in the front right? All that heat from the radiator fans would be sucked by the cooler on the video card making it throttle even faster.
post #1084 of 2739
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

"temps have quite a profound effect on the chip's voltage" uhmm no, not a profound effect. voltage has a profound impact on temperatures, but temperatures do not impact a running voltage (unless you're throttling, as I mentioned)

"bringing the temps lower will allow you further tighten the voltage" stability at any given frequency is suggested to slightly increase with a lower temperature... As for whether it does or not, is nearly impossible to confirm because of confounds.

"as for the point of that, lower temp = lower voltage = lower power consumption = less heat byproduct = lower RPM fans = quieter unit" Assuming lower temps can produce a lower voltage, sure, all of that is true (also assuming that the lowered RPM fans don't bring the temperature back up again)

"with this tight space of a case, reducing as much heat source as possible makes for a whole lot of difference." a whole lot of difference? haha, maybe a slight exaggeration. lower temps are always great, but perhaps you're overstating things.

OH, doh, now that you point it out, i did make a blunder.

though temps affects power consumption, and is related to voltage.
mind you watts consumed is also watts released in heat, and thats at 99.99% efficiency.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2200205
http://www.overclock.net/t/1247413/ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-with-ln2-guide-at-the-end

Quote:
Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

As for undervolting, you're at the mercy of the silicon lottery. Good luck moving a Vcore more than 0.1v downwards on an i5 chip (assuming the mobo will support it). Grats on your 0.15Vcore undervolt though I guess?
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

You also don't adjust voltages on an non-K chip.

thats a stupid reason for not attempting to do so.

and thanks, i had planned on swapping the stock cooler for a better HSF before.
but since the temps dropped to 60+c on stress tests i hadn't bothered, saved me from some minor costs.
Edited by epic1337 - 9/18/15 at 1:33pm
post #1085 of 2739
placed my order on the case yesterday, a few question

How many 2.5 driver you can sneak fit in to the bracket? (scotch tape)

Do you guys use AIO as intake or exhaust?

Any one have negative pressure set up, how is the dust?
post #1086 of 2739
Quote:
Originally Posted by baii View Post

placed my order on the case yesterday, a few question

How many 2.5 driver you can sneak fit in to the bracket? (scotch tape)

Do you guys use AIO as intake or exhaust?

Any one have negative pressure set up, how is the dust?
1. Not sure. But you can fit two on the bottom (one taped on to the other, but slightly offset), two on the bracket (normally) and two on the PSU unit if you are installed it as the fan facing the bottom.

2. Intake. You'll have to remove the filter if you use it as exhaust because pushing air through a filter is way more difficult that sucking air in through a filter.

3. Dust build up easily regardless because side grills aren't filtered and GPU sucks in air through them.
post #1087 of 2739
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anusha View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by baii View Post

placed my order on the case yesterday, a few question

How many 2.5 driver you can sneak fit in to the bracket? (scotch tape)

Do you guys use AIO as intake or exhaust?

Any one have negative pressure set up, how is the dust?
1. Not sure. But you can fit two on the bottom (one taped on to the other, but slightly offset), two on the bracket (normally) and two on the PSU unit if you are installed it as the fan facing the bottom.

2. Intake. You'll have to remove the filter if you use it as exhaust because pushing air through a filter is way more difficult that sucking air in through a filter.

3. Dust build up easily regardless because side grills aren't filtered and GPU sucks in air through them.

Thanks for answers, I read through last 4/5 of the thread, and aio as intake seem to work fine. However, in my build ,I plan to use the aio for a 290/290x. So I should be looking at 300-400w (double the tdp of a oc'd gpu).

Idk, I will see if I can pull some simple test when I get all the parts. Damn newegg is shipping the case from CA to here (NY) via slowwwww ups ground, So I am looking at 3-5 day minimum. And they don't count/work Sat/sun .AWESOME.

Sent from my 306SH
post #1088 of 2739
Quote:
Originally Posted by baii View Post

Thanks for answers, I read through last 4/5 of the thread, and aio as intake seem to work fine. However, in my build ,I plan to use the aio for a 290/290x. So I should be looking at 300-400w (double the tdp of a oc'd gpu).

Idk, I will see if I can pull some simple test when I get all the parts. Damn newegg is shipping the case from CA to here (NY) via slowwwww ups ground, So I am looking at 3-5 day minimum. And they don't count/work Sat/sun .AWESOME.

Sent from my 306SH
i'm not sure if dumping that much heat into the case is going to work well for any component. exhaust probably is your only option. will have to remove the filter though.
post #1089 of 2739
Right, first time poster here. I've chosen the SG13 for a SFF silent gaming build and would like your opinion on it. I've put quite a bit of time into checking all the components, priorities for the build are:

a) Silent at idle, should be inaudible for 75cm away
b) Very quiet and efficient under load with not a lot of excess head

The components will be:

Case: SG13
PSU: Be Quiet L8 530W (already owned, inaudible at idle)
Cooler: Corsair H75 (chosen for thick radiator which provides pretty good cooling power + inaudible pump)
Cooler fans: 2 * Silentwings 2 (replacement for H75 fans, extremely quiet even at max rpm, inaudible at up to 70% max rpm, already own 1 of them)
CPU: i5-6600K, will be moderately overclocked, nothing major as temps and noise are the priority
Mobo: MSI Z170I GAMING PRO AC
SSD: 2 * 500GB Samsung 850 evo (already owned, but will be running in raid 0 in this build)
GPU: MSI GTX970 (Lenght: 26.9 cm)

MSI GTX 970 chosen due to it's excellent performance/watt ratio. I'd prefer the Asus Strix 970 but it's too long, 28cm, so going with MSI's model since it's inaudible at idle (will be forcing fans to be on all the time to get some airflow) and extremely quiet under full load. The big question is does it fit? It's 0.5cm above the limit set by Silverstone, so does anyone have experience with a card this size? In addition, any other comments regarding the build?
Edited by Picka - 9/28/15 at 7:42am
post #1090 of 2739
I believe the MSI GTX 970 should fit. There is a post on Page 67 by orvils that shows that exact graphics card within the case with a portion poking beyond the frame into the hollow portion of the front panel. I actually found a post on page 72 by m45y4y4 that appears to show a GTX 660 Gigabyte Windforce fitting into the case. m45y4y4 states the length of the GPU is 280mm (11"), as do online review sites, so you should be able to even fit the Strix 970, if just barely. I'm still waiting to receive my case, so I can only draw my conclusions from what others have posted.
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