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That argument you use a lot, and it's not as good as you think it is. Not that many months later, in 2013, people could get an R9 290 for less than 400 in some cases.They could CF those for less than a Titan's cost, while on their own and at stock they are already not a lot different.


WRONG. Don't even go there. Not-that-many months later? Please tell me the exact gap I'm dying to know? As by my count it's practically an entire year....And guess what, the Titan is still the better option for 4K users.

The 290X won't have anywhere near the same life span as that. At least not for many people. I would say the Titan at this stage, and for the considerable future is a solid investment for those who purchased back in Feb 2013.

You'll have to excuse the abruptness but my hotair-metre is particularly sensitive during man flu periods thumb.gif
Edited by Silent Scone - 7/3/14 at 3:43am
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That argument you use a lot, and it's not as good as you think it is. Not that many months later, in 2013, people could get an R9 290 for less than 400 in some cases.They could CF those for less than a Titan's cost, while on their own and at stock they are already not a lot different.

9-10 months is how long I had my Titan before the 290s came out. That's almost twice, or at least 1.5x the legendary Fermi delay. And the Fermi delay is considered to be one of the biggest blunders of the GPU industry. That's almost a whole GPU generation of time. It's a really long time in the PC business.

Not to mention that since I'm an overclocker the Titan is actually faster than even the 290X. Has more memory etc. But you know, those are small details. The point is that while I paid a lot of money for it, I got it much, much earlier than other people. For me that's a good value in PC hardware.

Might be different for other people but I'm not going to wait 9 months to save ~$450 and get slightly less performance. That's what being an early adopter is all about. And my argument is going to be exactly the same when 1 year after me buying a 5960X intel releases a cheaper 8-core based on broadwell or something.
 
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post #493 of 1428
It makes me chuckle. With the announcement of the Titan, can you honestly say with a straight face there were Tahiti / GK104 users thinking "Well AMD are going to come up with something shortly I'm sure of it..."

5 or 6 months later "Any time now"...


17, or even 10 months in computing is a lifetime.
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9-10 months is how long

The example could have used a 780.




And I didn't say you don't have a point. I think it's way weaker than you portray it to be.
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WRONG. Don't even go there. Not-that-many months later? Please tell me the exact gap I'm dying to know? As by my count it's practically an entire year....And guess what, the Titan is still the better option for 4K users.

The 290X won't have anywhere near the same life span as that. At least not for many people. I would say the Titan at this stage, and for the considerable future is a solid investment for those who purchased back in Feb 2013.

You'll have to excuse the abruptness but my hotair-metre is particularly sensitive during man flu periods thumb.gif
The 290x is superior to the 780 Ti at 4K so i don't know how the titan with it's decreased core count magically beats it.
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I am actually still torn between running 2 mid range or a single high end. I dont care about power consumption, but is SLI really that bad over single GPU? because SLI is still better than crossfire.
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The 290x is superior to the 780 Ti at 4K so i don't know how the titan with it's decreased core count magically beats it.

Tried 4K on a 290X recently?


Depends how you mean by 'beats'. If you can get it to work flawlessly on a SST panel then in some games, it probably does, yes.
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The point of the Titan was to raise Nvidia's GPU prices across the board. You would have to be blind not to see that. The 780 would never have looked like a good deal for $650 if i didn't perform close to an overinflated $1000 GPU. Especially given that the 680, 580 and 480 were all priced around the $500 mark. Funny how that flew over so many peoples heads and now they can charge way more than $500 for the 880 and everyone will be okay with it.
This... is the core of the problem with the Titan which I find strangely overlooked and ignored. Guys, $1000 single-GPU flagships are not acceptable by any recent historical metric... you're just feeding the practice by buying them. $500-$600 max for a shiny new, flagship GPU is where Nvidia used to aim things. Does nobody care?

The Titan Black is the modern equivalent to Fermi's 3 GB 580 that was available for ~$550. The Titan Black is nearly twice the price and Nvidia artfically tried to justify it by forbidding double-VRAM 780 models. That's ridiculous, and it will be even more ridiculous when that $1000 card is thrashed by the comparitively cheap next generation chips as its half-price predecessors were.
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The 290x is superior to the 780 Ti at 4K so i don't know how the titan with it's decreased core count magically beats it.

The Titan has 6GB of VRAM, with an SLI setup it can provide both the performance and the memory for upcoming games even at 4K. The 290X only has 4GB and even though it performs relatively okay at 4K now, upcoming games will require more than 4GB for maximum settings especially at higher resolutions with Ultra textures. A 290X crossfire configuration while quite powerful is still limited by the 4GB memory buffer. This refers to the original Titan as the Titan Black is a completely different case.
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