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post #141 of 150
In general air coolers have come a long way. Watercooling's little boom was the birth of the AIO. But since then not much evolution.

EK tried with their predator line but had their failure issues.
If they can pick it up again I'm really sure you'll see a larger gap between what we consider a AIO and any air cooler. Also the idea of EK's budget aluminum line and along with their AIO idea's might be impactfull to the market.

Also anything noctua makes looks like something I flush down the toilet ascetically. If they worked on the industrial design some I bet it would be even more expensive.
Edited by DigitrevX - 9/21/17 at 5:19pm
post #142 of 150
Noctua, Cryorig, Thermalright, Phanteks, Alpenfohn, Silverstone, be quiet!, etc coolers of similar design and size all cool similarly .. and the vast majority of AIO CLCs (CLCs being factory sealed loops with no provision for maintaanance, no threaded fittngs, aluminum radiators and pumps that flow maybe 60 l/h are almost all made by 2 companies; Asetek and CoolIT. All Corsair CLCs are made by those two companies. Here is a chart of retail companies selling CLCs and who makes them. Some AIOs are not CLC; Swiftech, Alphacool, EKWB all make pre-built and filled loops. Here is a chart of AIO and CLC coolers retail brand name and manufacturer
http://www.overclock.net/t/1491876/ways-to-better-cooling-airflow-cooler-fan-data/60_20#post_23781217

Here is AIO & CLC pump specifications. It is far from complete because manufacturers generally do not publish the specs. I included EK-D5 pump because it is probably the most popular pump used in custom loops and it shows just how little water most CLC pumps flow.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1491876/ways-to-better-cooling-airflow-cooler-fan-data/80_20#post_23828310

Air cooler cooling ability has changed little in last 7 or so years .. when NH-D14 and Silver Arrow came out. They still cool as well as newer coolers do.


There are 2 reasons CLCs often score lower temps on test systems.
1. Their fans move much more air (and are much louder).
When tested at same noise level air coolers are almost alway as cooler or cooler.
2. Many (most) reviews use systems built in a case to test with while monitoring room ambient air temp.
  • This means they are not testing one cooler's performance against another cooler's performance, but are instead testing how different coolers perform in a given system .. so unless you have an identical system your cooler results will be different. In recent years I've noticed more reviewers now testing on open bench and monitoring cooler / radiator intake air temp.
  • To test cooler against cooler requires monitoring and recording the air temp going into cooler in real time. The temperature differential between cooler intake air temp and CPU temp is the delta temp that is important .. not the room temp and CPU temp. Cooler intake air temp can be anywhere from 2-3c warmer to 20-25c warmer than room when system is running stress load testing.
  • Cooler intake temperature difference is because almost all stock cases do not have optimized airflow. so cooler intake airlfow is warmed by other components inside of case.
  • Most CLC tests are with CLC radiator mounted as intake so all air going into case being used to cool other components that are not being cooled by CLC have pre-heated air from CLC trying to cool them.
post #143 of 150
And the worst reviews make a 10min test and forget that it takes time for the water to heat up, meaning it seems amazing the first 20min and then it gets louder and hotter and louder and hotter. Testing water coolers takes crap load of time as they accumulate so much heat.
post #144 of 150
Air cooling is just awesome, air cooling is genius. I love my D15. I like simplicity and reliability of it all. No silly tubes, pumps, or possibility of leaks.
post #145 of 150
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Air cooling is just awesome, air cooling is genius. I love my D15. I like simplicity and reliability of it all. No silly tubes, pumps, or possibility of leaks.

Yup agree, NH-D15 is one awesome cooler but there are few others which are very good as well there

Have used NH-D15 and loved that cooler

Hope this helps

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I'm using the R1 Ultimate on my CPU while using an AIO on the GPU with a G12 bracket it seems to be a great combo, It's quieter while under load, While the GPU has some great temps allowing me to put the overclock up a bit without crashing.
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I'm using the R1 Ultimate on my CPU while using an AIO on the GPU with a G12 bracket it seems to be a great combo, It's quieter while under load, While the GPU has some great temps allowing me to put the overclock up a bit without crashing.

Yeah, if I were to use an AIO again anywhere in my system, the GPU makes the most sense, especially big GPUs like Vega 64 and the 1080Ti. Anything smaller and I think it doesn't benefit enough to warrant the extra cost, but the big chips like water.
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Yeah, if I were to use an AIO again anywhere in my system, the GPU makes the most sense, especially big GPUs like Vega 64 and the 1080Ti. Anything smaller and I think it doesn't benefit enough to warrant the extra cost, but the big chips like water.

I have the EVGA 1080 ti SC Black Gaming, Temps on the stock cooler at load was 80c, With the X62 it's 47 max on the quiet setting. smile.gif
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I'm using the R1 Ultimate on my CPU while using an AIO on the GPU with a G12 bracket it seems to be a great combo, It's quieter while under load, While the GPU has some great temps allowing me to put the overclock up a bit without crashing.

I'm confused by this. I have 2 evga 1080ti ftw3 cards in two different machines. Both maxed votage settings applied. Both overclocked as high as they will go due to nvidia's voltage limit. Both using their stock aircooler.
Neither of them break 83c which isn't close to their tjmax and if they did get close only then will they throttle back. Not crash.

So I'm perplexed by this idea heat alone will make your gpu crash. It's always been clock, voltage, drivers, and damage that causes crashes.
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I'm confused by this. I have 2 evga 1080ti ftw3 cards in two different machines. Both maxed votage settings applied. Both overclocked as high as they will go due to nvidia's voltage limit. Both using their stock aircooler.
Neither of them break 83c which isn't close to their tjmax and if they did get close only then will they throttle back. Not crash.

So I'm perplexed by this idea heat alone will make your gpu crash. It's always been clock, voltage, drivers, and damage that causes crashes.

Reason and CLCs on GPUs don't always go together. You already know that.
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