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I play AAA titles with the bare minimum required AA enabled and every other graphics settings maxed out. I am yet to come across many recent/2013 title that will keep a constant minimum FPS of 60 at 1080p at those settings. I cannot imagine how bad the FPS would get at the same settings when run at 1440p. Then there are factors like SLI working properly with said games and the scaling on SLI being good and whatnot.

Then you must be doing something wrong.. I am running my sig rig with one of my 690s turned off, so i have just a bit more gpu power than a 780ti, and i am running most current AAA titles maxed with 120fps. Only one that i dont get that on is the batman trilogy as i use half of my 690 as dedicated physx. So i am expecting to be running at close to 144fps avg on most games at 1440p, only thing i may have to turn down would be textures as 2gb of vram on the 690s is not the best.
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I don't like this review. Poorly written and too many subjective impressions in rather short sentences.
Although it is great to hear that the reviewer (and his friends~) liked this monitor, I have to wait for thorough reviews to help me decide whether to wait or buy it around release time.
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Not as good != Quit a bit worse.

There are several degrees between those.

Color will be quite a bit worse with the viewing angles of TN factored in. Even dead on, there will be color shift. You are kidding yourself if you think this will produce anywhere close to IPS level quality and color. Best case scenario it will be within about ~20% I think.

EDIT: That's not to say this isn't a nice monitor, but let's not try to overhype it...
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Then you must be doing something wrong.. I am running my sig rig with one of my 690s turned off, so i have just a bit more gpu power than a 780ti, and i am running most current AAA titles maxed with 120fps. Only one that i dont get that on is the batman trilogy as i use half of my 690 as dedicated physx. So i am expecting to be running at close to 144fps avg on most games at 1440p, only thing i may have to turn down would be textures as 2gb of vram on the 690s is not the best.
Thank you for your reply.

Now, are you implying that I am supposed to be able to max out Tomb Raider with 2x SSAA at 1080p and have a minimum of 60 FPS at all times? If so, please tell me what I should do to achieve that target.

I'm running my GPU at 1202/6008 and my CPU at 4.4GHz and I am getting drops to 30 FPS at 1080p. I'm also using the 337.50 drivers and not latter ones since they seem to be broken for my system.

What exactly could I be doing wrong that is affecting the performance so much?
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Color will be quite a bit worse with the viewing angles of TN factored in. Even dead on, there will be color shift. You are kidding yourself if you think this will produce anywhere close to IPS level quality and color. Best case scenario it will be within about ~20% I think.

EDIT: That's not to say this isn't a nice monitor, but let's not try to overhype it...

well do not forget that this is the first monitor and currently the only one to bring many desired features combined so many people have sought for every since they bought a 1080p 120/144hz monitor years ago.

The hype is imho somewhat justified. I would rather have more companies build monitors with the same specifications as the ASUS SWIFT ROG so we can actually compare and judge the monitor by its quality considering what it brings to the table.

I hope other manufcaturers realised the hype surrounding this monitor so they venture into this direction aswell. I don't see a WQHD, Gsync, 144mhz, 1ms, IPS monitor happening. TN is probably the best we will get in the next 1-2 years.
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I play AAA titles with the bare minimum required AA enabled and every other graphics settings maxed out. I am yet to come across many recent/2013 title that will keep a constant minimum FPS of 60 at 1080p at those settings. I cannot imagine how bad the FPS would get at the same settings when run at 1440p. Then there are factors like SLI working properly with said games and the scaling on SLI being good and whatnot.

That is your problem right there.

I can't think of a single AAA title that has a significant visual difference between the highest settings and the next step, in some cases two, down from it. Battlefield 4 is a shining example of zero visual gains at Ultra with maximum performance hit. Call of Duty Ghosts is another fine example, the visual difference between the highest and next lowest is about zero, yet you can easily tank your performance 50% by doing it.

There is a huge placebo effect going on, and frankly "maxing" games is just stupid to do in almost every situation. Taxing your systems performance capabilities just to have a SFX that you willing aren't going to notice, or in some cases isn't even there is funny to me.

Again, using Ghosts as an example, the textures on the two highest settings are the same textures, yet the performance difference is massive. TotalBiscuit did an entire video on this point it out.
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Color will be quite a bit worse with the viewing angles of TN factored in. Even dead on, there will be color shift. You are kidding yourself if you think this will produce anywhere close to IPS level quality and color. Best case scenario it will be within about ~20% I think.

EDIT: That's not to say this isn't a nice monitor, but let's not try to overhype it...

That is just the thing though, people who have seen it in person and have reported back to these forums have said it is pretty damn close to IPS/PLS.

I guess we are going to have to disagree over the definition of what "quit a bit" means. Regardless though, I feel the color capabilities of the display are going to be perfectly fine for gaming and even video watching. Anyone that needs true color accuracy shouldn't even be looking at the display to begin with.

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Thank you for your reply.

Now, are you implying that I am supposed to be able to max out Tomb Raider with 2x SSAA at 1080p and have a minimum of 60 FPS at all times? If so, please tell me what I should do to achieve that target.

I'm running my GPU at 1202/6008 and my CPU at 4.4GHz and I am getting drops to 30 FPS at 1080p. I'm also using the 337.50 drivers and not latter ones since they seem to be broken for my system.

What exactly could I be doing wrong that is affecting the performance so much?

No way, Tomb Raider is demanding and so is SSAA. You'd probably get 60 constantly with FXAA, but it'd also look quite a bit worse/blurrier. 1440p and 2x SSAA in that game brings my computer into the 20s at times. Turn off SSAA and I can maintain pretty much a solid 60, and turn off hair and I easily get 60+. People turn down their settings and still claim "max". tongue.gif

Tomb Raider is quite a bit harder to max than most AAA titles IMO.
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That is your problem right there.

I can't think of a single AAA title that has a significant visual difference between the highest settings and the next step, in some cases two, down from it. Battlefield 4 is a shining example of zero visual gains at Ultra with maximum performance hit. Call of Duty Ghosts is another fine example, the visual difference between the highest and next lowest is about zero, yet you can easily tank your performance 50% by doing it.

There is a huge placebo effect going on, and frankly "maxing" games is just stupid to do in almost every situation. Taxing your systems performance capabilities just to have a SFX that you willing aren't going to notice, or in some cases isn't even there is funny to me.

Again, using Ghosts as an example, the textures on the two highest settings are the same textures, yet the performance difference is massive. TotalBiscuit did an entire video on this point it out.
That is just the thing though, people who have seen it in person and have reported back to these forums have said it is pretty damn close to IPS/PLS.

I guess we are going to have to disagree over the definition of what "quit a bit" means. Regardless though, I feel the color capabilities of the display are going to be perfectly fine for gaming and even video watching. Anyone that needs true color accuracy shouldn't even be looking at the display to begin with.

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Do you have 20/20 vision? People claimed the same with Watch Dogs but to my eyes it's a very large difference. Same with almost every title....
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No way, Tomb Raider is demanding and so is SSAA. You'd probably get 60 constantly with FXAA, but it'd also look quite a bit worse/blurrier. 1440p and 2x SSAA in that game brings my computer into the 20s at times. Turn off SSAA and I can maintain pretty much a solid 60, and turn off hair and I easily get 60+. People turn down their settings and still claim "max". tongue.gif

Tomb Raider is quite a bit harder to max than most AAA titles IMO.
Do you have 20/20 vision? People claimed the same with Watch Dogs but to my eyes it's a very large difference.

Using Tomb Raider as a benchmark isn't the greatest thing to do in the first place, the game lacks optimization. You get high frame rate by just brute forcing...........
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Do you have 20/20 vision? People claimed the same with Watch Dogs but to my eyes it's a very large difference.

Nope, my vision is bad at distance and average "up close", but then again I don't need Eagle Vision to see my display and look at textures. Also I am not the only person to state these facts, there are plenty of videos on YouTube and the Internet discussing and showing the problem.

Visual fidelity and performance do not scale that well, it has kind of been that way for a long time. As you increase the settings the actual visual difference quickly drops off but processing power to do it increases greatly, thus causing a sharp decline in frame rate with arguably minimal gain to visuals. Mainly you see this at the upper limits of settings that High vs Ultra situation.

Again, see Ghosts and BF4.
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That is your problem right there.

I can't think of a single AAA title that has a significant visual difference between the highest settings and the next step, in some cases two, down from it. Battlefield 4 is a shining example of zero visual gains at Ultra with maximum performance hit. Call of Duty Ghosts is another fine example, the visual difference between the highest and next lowest is about zero, yet you can easily tank your performance 50% by doing it.

There is a huge placebo effect going on, and frankly "maxing" games is just stupid to do in almost every situation. Taxing your systems performance capabilities just to have a SFX that you willing aren't going to notice, or in some cases isn't even there is funny to me.

Again, using Ghosts as an example, the textures on the two highest settings are the same textures, yet the performance difference is massive. TotalBiscuit did an entire video on this point it out.
Really? I've never tried lower settings to see how they look. Just lowering AA has generally yielded playable FPS in all games till now.

As for the matter of having to use brute force, isn't that a given with most games these days? So I've stopped complaining about it.
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No way, Tomb Raider is demanding and so is SSAA. You'd probably get 60 constantly with FXAA, but it'd also look quite a bit worse/blurrier. 1440p and 2x SSAA in that game brings my computer into the 20s at times. Turn off SSAA and I can maintain pretty much a solid 60, and turn off hair and I easily get 60+. People turn down their settings and still claim "max". tongue.gif

Tomb Raider is quite a bit harder to max than most AAA titles IMO.
Do you have 20/20 vision? People claimed the same with Watch Dogs but to my eyes it's a very large difference. Same with almost every title....
I can't thank you enough for saying this. This is not the first occasion that my experience has varied so much from others on OCN who claim to max games out much higher FPS than they should be getting with the hardware they use, and I am the one who ended up getting confused.

On a related note, is there a guide for tweaking my OS and other settings that will help get better performance in games? I'm asking this because in some games I notice Windows asking me disable Aero theme to get better performance.

Thank you both very much.
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Still TN. Still horrid color shift even watching it straight head-on. Still horrid gamut coverage.

Pass.

And all TN panels are the same? You don't know it has horrid color shift or gamut - it hasn't been measured yet.
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