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What are the chances of Nvidia screwing us over with Gsync 2.0 next year??
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Nope, my vision is bad at distance and average "up close", but then again I don't need Eagle Vision to see my display and look at textures. Also I am not the only person to state these facts, there are plenty of videos on YouTube and the Internet discussing and showing the problem.

Visual fidelity and performance do not scale that well, it has kind of been that way for a long time. As you increase the settings the actual visual difference quickly drops off but processing power to do it increases greatly, thus causing a sharp decline in frame rate with arguably minimal gain to visuals. Mainly you see this at the upper limits of settings that High vs Ultra situation.

Again, see Ghosts and BF4.

Most of those people are in the same boat as you, bad vision or low end monitors. Texture fidelity may be hard to justify between "high" and "ultra" if you can't see 20/20. I have glasses, and if I take them off I can't even tell the difference between low and max textures. With glasses, I can easily tell the difference between the two highest settings. You don't know how bad your vision is until you start seeing 20/20 again, or go to an eye doctor. My vision was terrible about a year ago, and I wasn't even aware.

Like you said, there's definitely diminishing returns the higher you go, but those fine details you gain on the highest settings will mostly be missed without good vision. I've always maxed my games, and usually if I have to step down the difference is enough that I just wait for a new build. tongue.gif
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On a related note, is there a guide for tweaking my OS and other settings that will help get better performance in games? I'm asking this because in some games I notice Windows asking me disable Aero theme to get better performance.

Thank you both very much.

I'd say it's a waste of time to "tweak" an OS nowadays. You are looking at less than a 1% difference, especially if you have 8+ GB of RAM and an SSD. You might actually hurt performance if you tweak the wrong settings.
Edited by Murlocke - 7/4/14 at 6:57pm
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I'd say it's a waste of time to "tweak" an OS nowadays. You are looking at less than a 1% difference, especially if you have 8+ GB of RAM and an SSD. You might actually hurt performance if you tweak the wrong settings.
Okay. Thank you.
OP should correct the title of the thread. It should be PG278Q, not PG28Q.
Edited by ahnafakeef - 7/4/14 at 7:13pm
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What are the chances of Nvidia screwing us over with Gsync 2.0 next year??

And what exactly could G sync 2.0 possibly improve?
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And what exactly could G sync 2.0 possibly improve?

No clue honestly, maybe improving it's function with IPS monitors. If memory serves me right that Asus 4k IPS needed 2 GSYNC units to function at some event, I may be wrong though.
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And what exactly could G sync 2.0 possibly improve?

superior combination of G-Sync + ULMB

I think the current iteration still requires choosing one or the other, but its been a while since I've read up on it
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Most of those people are in the same boat as you, bad vision or low end monitors. Texture fidelity may be hard to justify between "high" and "ultra" if you can't see 20/20. I have glasses, and if I take them off I can't even tell the difference between low and max textures. With glasses, I can easily tell the difference between the two highest settings. You don't know how bad your vision is until you start seeing 20/20 again, or go to an eye doctor. My vision was terrible about a year ago, and I wasn't even aware.

Like you said, there's definitely diminishing returns the higher you go, but those fine details you gain on the highest settings will mostly be missed without good vision. I've always maxed my games, and usually if I have to step down the difference is enough that I just wait for a new build. tongue.gif
I'd say it's a waste of time to "tweak" an OS nowadays. You are looking at less than a 1% difference, especially if you have 8+ GB of RAM and an SSD. You might actually hurt performance if you tweak the wrong settings.

I have a color calibrated IPS display......so we know the monitor isn't the issue.

Um, no, 20/20 doesn't have anything to do with it - it really is zero to very little difference with textures. Ghosts being a prime example, the textures between the two highest settings were the same, literally the same texture. Yet performance hit was massive.....

I invite you to watch the TotalBiscuit video, pointing it out - see for yourself.

Going back to the vision thing, I have been to the Dr, I have a script for glasses, it isn't a vision thing. It is just the fact that the textures between the two highest settings typically have zero to very little difference in quality. Some situations, Ghosts, even using the same textures between the settings.

Edit: To be clear I am not trying to say there isn't a difference between medium and high, or medium to ultra. There absolutely is; I am talking directly at the High/Ultra.
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superior combination of G-Sync + ULMB

I think the current iteration still requires choosing one or the other, but its been a while since I've read up on it

Yea, that is my one concern....

If it happens hopefully we could do a firmware upgrade, or at least install the DIY to take advantage of 2.0.
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I just want a monitor with decent black levels. I don't know of one. I'm not expecting anything to match my ST60 but I can't deal with awful LED blacks and light bleed. I honestly don't know how anyone can. Can't deal with IPS glow either.

This is obviously a decent piece of hardware that pushes the technology about as far as it can go but OLED really needs to get here soon.

Making due with a 144hz monitor now cause it's good for shooters but actually watching anything on this is a chore. I hate to rant but it's really sad we've basically gone backwards and in the last year taken a major step backward with the Panny/Sony OLED deal falling through and Samsung and Panasonic getting out of the plasma business. More of a comment on the overall state of displays rather then specifically monitors it just sucks that this is the direction they are going. G-sync seems like so much wasted potential to me.
    
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Where are these new matrix cards?....reviews have been out for months but I haven't seen one retail yet

And why, for the love of god, does Asus insist on releasing matrix cards mere months before next gen mad.gif
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Where are these new matrix cards?....reviews have been out for months but I haven't seen one retail yet

And why, for the love of god, does Asus insist on releasing matrix cards mere months before next gen mad.gif

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