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Originally Posted by By-Tor View Post

Can this dual core CPU feed a pair of 7950's enough so not to create a huge bottleneck?

I doubt it. Single player it might do ok. But multiplayer will unlikely push the second GPU much at all.

Why consider this?
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Can this dual core CPU feed a pair of 7950's enough so not to create a huge bottleneck?

Not really for modern games. I saw a noticeable difference between G3258 and my i7 with two 270s. Only games that were similar in results were older single threaded apps as you can imagine.
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Not really for modern games. I saw a noticeable difference between G3258 and my i7 with two 270s. Only games that were similar in results were older single threaded apps as you can imagine.

can you disable 4 thread son i7 and try i3 ? can i3 handle x2 R9 270?
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Why consider this?

Still throwing the idea around at giving Intel a try since AMD won't be releasing anything to replace FX anytime soon. Looking at Broadwell next year and just thinking about getting a MSI Z97 gaming 5 MB and a G3258 just to hold me till Broadwell releases.

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Not really for modern games. I saw a noticeable difference between G3258 and my i7 with two 270s. Only games that were similar in results were older single threaded apps as you can imagine.

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Guess I could park 6 cores on my 8350 and see how it handles my 7950's...
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First of all, a HUGE thank you to TopicClocker for this thread. I actually read all 100 pages of it and there is a ton of good info. It was instrumental in helping me decide to purchase one of these CPUs and in helping me overclock it.

Now on to my issue, I purchased the G3258 / MSI Z97 PC Mate $99 micro center deal because it was just too good to pass up. I'm coming from an Phenom II 940 with a mild overclock (3.3ghz, apparently I lost the lottery, it just ran too hot to go higher). I've had it for over 5 years and the benchmarks here helped convince me this was a decent time to upgrade before doing a massive upgrade in a year or two. I also didn't want to wait until it totally gave up the ghost and at a total outlay of $99 (plus some random ram I ... acquired), the performance gains were worth it.

I started my overclock with the OC Genie just to see where it would start me and it put me at 4.3GHz with a 1.3 vcore I believe. The problem was, it wasn't stable. It would crash on any benchmark. I started reading this thread and both Haswell overclocking guides mentioned in here to try and get it better. As it stands today, I'm back at 4.3 GHz, again with 1.3 vcore but it is more stable. It ran x264 entirely through last night (85C max temp) but then just failed it again this morning about 1.5 hours in. I was able to play games for about 6 hours straight so I know it's "relatively" stable but I would like it to be able to at least pass x264 regularly. I was playing mostly TF2 but I also play D3, a little LoL, etc. Nothing overly taxing on the processor, I believe it was in the low 60's while playing.

Any suggestions or things I haven't thought of to try and get it stable? Since MicroCenter is pretty close, do you think I should just return the CPU and try the lottery again thinking I may have just a bad example? Anyone familiar with how well MicroCenter will take back a used processor? With so many people hitting 4.3-4.4 on 1.2x volts, it's frustrating to not be stable even at 1.3. I have backed down the voltage but it BSODs with a 124 pretty quick when I do that. Temps don't even hit 70+ before it's rebooting.

Here is where my system sits currently:
VID: 1.300 (current reading 1.301)
Clock: 43
Unclock: 32
VCCIN: 1.9 (current reading 1.904)
Ring: 1.15 (current reading 1.144)

Vcore is currently low (as expected since it's idle) but does go to 1.3 ish on load.
I wasn't able to find the VCCIN LLC anywhere in bios ... does it go by another name? I couldn't find anything that even looked like it so perhaps that's not an option in the PC Mate?

Anything I missed? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys.

Thanks! I really appreciate it!

Your ring might be a bit too low, I think I had some trouble running my ring at 1.15v, try and raise it to 1.20-1.30v at the same clock of 32.
Here's what I have mine at, reading from HWMonitor.


Bus Speed: 100.1
Multiplier: 44 (4.4GHz)
Uncore: 3.9GHz
VID: 1.251v
LLC/RING: 1.203v (I'm running 1.2v because I have the ring/uncore/cache clocked to 3.9GHz)
VCCIN/VCORE: 1.872


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Originally Posted by By-Tor View Post

Can this dual core CPU feed a pair of 7950's enough so not to create a huge bottleneck?

Hmm I've never ran multiple GPUs before so I'm not particularly sure of what kind of load having multiple GPUs put on the CPU.
However if I look at it as the power of 2 7950s I think it depends on the game you're playing and often the amount of GPU power your pushing through it, other games might be okay with it, others might not be able to stress the second GPU much if at all, thus bottlenecking, you probably know what bottlenecking is already but I thought I'd mention this to get the point across more simpler.

Here's a quote taken from the G3258 Anniversary reviews thread.
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Well, it's a pretty bad term IMO but another way of saying you're only as fast as the weakest link

if your CPU can handle 35fps in a given game scene, then it doesn't matter if at 1080p, max settings, one GPU can render 50fps and another 150fps. They'd both be functionally the same because your game would run at 35fps.

That's what people call "bottlenecking", when there is something significantly slower than something else for their intended games/settings that would make upgrading certain areas past a certain level quite pointless.

I think it will certainly bottleneck in some games, but I don't know how many.
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Originally Posted by By-Tor View Post

Still throwing the idea around at giving Intel a try since AMD won't be releasing anything to replace FX anytime soon. Looking at Broadwell next year and just thinking about getting a MSI Z97 gaming 5 MB and a G3258 just to hold me till Broadwell releases.

Thanks
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Guess I could park 6 cores on my 8350 and see how it handles my 7950's...

In my opinion your current CPU is pretty potent for most things of today, It's probably not worth switching to the G3258 from a 5GHz 8350. In the OP, I wrote:
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All in all, this processor will excel in single-thread dependent tasks, and take on chips with inferior single-threaded performance, however will be more likely to perform worse in tasks which are heavily multi-threaded or multi-thread dependent
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it is able to topple AMD chips in their fields of weakness and if you can find a use for this CPU it's pretty much untouchable in it's area, it's really affordable and you can practically achieve the single-thread performance of an i5 4790K which has a turbo frequency of 4.4GHz which my processor is running at in most of these benchmarks unless stated otherwise.

Is there anything you're running currently which would benefit from the G3258's single-threaded performance?
post #1007 of 4581
That CPU will definitely bottleneck in more mult-threaded/memory oriented intensive tasks....with that cpu focus on single thread performance, and a good overclock will help.

8350 can/has ok multi-threading/memory intensive ability but its individual core/single thread performance is a joke vs intel.....
Edited by JR88 - 8/26/14 at 9:51am
post #1008 of 4581
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Originally Posted by TopicClocker View Post

Hmm I've never ran multiple GPUs before so I'm not particularly sure of what kind of load having multiple GPUs put on the CPU.
However if I look at it as the power of 2 7950s I think it depends on the game you're playing and often the amount of GPU power your pushing through it, other games might be okay with it, others might not be able to stress the second GPU much if at all, thus bottlenecking, you probably know what bottlenecking is already but I thought I'd mention this to get the point across more simpler.

Here's a quote taken from the G3258 Anniversary reviews thread.
I think it will certainly bottleneck in some games, but I don't know how many.

Mostly play BF4, Bio Shock, Hitman and Tomb Raider..

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Originally Posted by TopicClocker View Post

In my opinion your current CPU is pretty potent for most things of today, It's probably not worth switching to the G3258 from a 5GHz 8350. In the OP, I wrote:

Is there anything you're running currently which would benefit from the G3258's single-threaded performance?

I'm sure nothing I'm doing will benefit from this move, but mainly looking for an upgrade with Broadwell and just something to tinker with now to hold me over until it's release..

Thanks

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That CPU will definitely bottleneck in more mult-threaded/memory oriented intensive tasks....with that cpu focus on single thread performance, and a good overclock will help.

8350 can/has ok multi-threading/memory intensive ability but its individual core/single thread performance is a joke vs intel.....

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honestly would be better off dumping the G3258 and go with at least one of the i5's on Haswell
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honestly would be better off dumping the G3258 and go with at least one of the i5's on Haswell

If that's the case I should just stay with my 8350 since its on par with most i5's..
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