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I first updated the bios to the last version (F6 version) and i recently updates the MEI firmware to the last version available for my chipset but didn't fix the problem.
Hey quetzalin, check this out. Your board may not be fully compatible with the G3258. http://processormatch.intel.com/

I have a MSI h81m-p33 board and it does overclock the G3258 just fine but cpu vcore will not drop at idle. Its a known issue that some of these h-81 boards are not fully functional when overclocking a cpu.
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Hey quetzalin, check this out. Your board may not be fully compatible with the G3258. http://processormatch.intel.com/

I have a MSI h81m-p33 board and it does overclock the G3258 just fine but cpu vcore will not drop at idle. Its a known issue that some of these h-81 boards are not fully functional when overclocking a cpu.

Have you checked in "OC Settings" menu if you have as 1st option "advanced/simple", if so, select advanced and you may have access to dynamic/overriden/offset voltage settings that may helps to make vcore to be lowered at idle, also check the last option (cpu features) if you have enabled C1E and Cstates. Oh and i assume you have updated bios smile.gif
 
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Have you checked in "OC Settings" menu if you have as 1st option "advanced/simple", if so, select advanced and you may have access to dynamic/overriden/offset voltage settings that may helps to make vcore to be lowered at idle, also check the last option (cpu features) if you have enabled C1E and Cstates. Oh and i assume you have updated bios smile.gif
When I get home im going to look into it and get back to you. I remember there are very, very few OC options in the bios on my H-81 compared to my z-87.Thanks!
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I have few options as well with H97M-G43, VCCIN is locked at 1.9 for example, that's prevent me to try higher than 4.6GHz freq, anyway temps would be too high.

Oh, new bios is out for that mobo, i don't think more options gonna be avalaible but gonna check smile.gif
 
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OK, this makes no sense to me, this is firestrike runs with the same GPU w/same clocks and same memory. Combined test is weird.

AMD



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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/4225740

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Hey quetzalin, check this out. Your board may not be fully compatible with the G3258. http://processormatch.intel.com/

I have a MSI h81m-p33 board and it does overclock the G3258 just fine but cpu vcore will not drop at idle. Its a known issue that some of these h-81 boards are not fully functional when overclocking a cpu.

I also noticed idle voltage doesn't drop on the MSI H81M-P33 I'm using, I'll be picking up an ASUS Z97-A this Friday and then compare overclocking abilities with the same chip on each board then post my findings. I sent you a PM btw..

This is the best stable OC I've achieved using the bios after running 1/2hr. of Prime95 448k, then several hours of AIDA64 FPU stress test with no hang ups or BSOD's, max temps reached were 60c



I have turned C States off since it was indeed messing with my stability, but left EIST enabled without issues as far as I can tell. Are there any tips you can give me for overclocking on this board? @Maintenance Bot are there any other settings I should adjust or turn off? My voltages still seem to be really high to achieve this clock multiplier stably. I can also boot up at 44 multiplier but it requires a vcore of 1.4+ to run stabily and this board can't exceed 1.4v...

After checking out my findings on the new board if this chip is indeed a dud I'll just buy another one and use this chip as a test subject for my first K series delidding, then I'll sell it locally for 50 bucks lol.
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After checking out my findings on the new board if this chip is indeed a dud I'll just buy another one and use this chip as a test subject for my first K series delidding, then I'll sell it locally for 50 bucks lol.

Yup, selling board as well as the chip is what I'd advise you rolleyes.gif
Overclocking your memory as well could boost your performance quite a bit, so think about whether you could afford a Z board.

Your chip is still "in line" with what you can expect out of a G3258. Here's a 90min prime screen of my weakest performing G3258. Note how I only could up the Cache to 3600MHz.

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Yup, selling board as well as the chip is what I'd advise you rolleyes.gif
Overclocking your memory as well could boost your performance quite a bit, so think about whether you could afford a Z board.

Your chip is still "in line" with what you can expect out of a G3258. Here's a 90min prime screen of my weakest performing G3258. Note how I only could up the Cache to 3600MHz.


What do you mean with the rolleyes? Are you being sarcastic or serious?

I appreciate your info on your worst chip being about as bad as my first chip lol. Reaffirms the idea that my chip is an OC'ing dud. I'm not just picking up the Z97 for the G3258, I have 2 GTX465 video cards I've been waiting to SLI and it's been part of my upgrade path all along. SO I'm not throwing money away for a few extra hundred mhz, but to accomodate for several other upgrades.
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I'm starting to believe the problems i'm having first with the ASUS H81M-C and now with the Gigabyte H81M-HD3 were caused because i used modded bioses where i updated the CPU microcode and MEI firmware. On both motherboards the first thing i did was to update to the latest BIOS using the modded bioses hmmsmiley02.gif

As a reminder if anyone wasn't following me, the problem i had with the Gigabyte is that i was able to change and save the OC settings on the bios but they weren't being applied, this happened with a modded bios with an updated microcode and MEI firmware.

So i flashed back the Gigabyte to the original last BIOS without any stupid mod and also flashed back the MEI firmware to the original one. I found i can't boot into Windows with the original bios version at all (even without any OC), it just reboots on loading screen, the same problem i had on the ASUS but this time also without any OC.

And here goes my theory; the original BIOS has an "older" CPU microcode and here is were i believe when you flash a BIOS with a newer microcode part of it also gets saved into the processor itself and you can't downgrade it from the processor. I flashed the Gigabyte with several flashing tools like Q-Flash, Etiflash, FTK/FPT trying to force a microcode downgrade.

When you are booting Windows If the microcode version on the motherboard BIOS and the processor matches then you are "fine".
If the microcode doesn't match, you are screwed = no windows booting under any circumstance.

Also the reason why i can't OC with the new microcode must be because even if it is newer it probably doesn't include the fixes / hacks to be able to overclock on H81 chipsets.
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I'm starting to believe the problems i'm having first with the ASUS H81M-C and now with the Gigabyte H81M-HD3 were caused because i used modded bioses where i updated the CPU microcode and MEI firmware. On both motherboards the first thing i did was to update to the latest BIOS using the modded bioses hmmsmiley02.gif

As a reminder if anyone wasn't following me, the problem i had with the Gigabyte is that i was able to change and save the OC settings on the bios but they weren't being applied, this happened with a modded bios with an updated microcode and MEI firmware.

So i flashed back the Gigabyte to the original last BIOS without any stupid mod and also flashed back the MEI firmware to the original one. I found i can't boot into Windows with the original bios version at all (even without any OC), it just reboots on loading screen, the same problem i had on the ASUS but this time also without any OC.

And here goes my theory; the original BIOS has an "older" CPU microcode and here is were i believe when you flash a BIOS with a newer microcode part of it also gets saved into the processor itself and you can't downgrade it from the processor. I flashed the Gigabyte with several flashing tools like Q-Flash, Etiflash, FTK/FPT trying to force a microcode downgrade.

When you are booting Windows If the microcode version on the motherboard BIOS and the processor matches then you are "fine".
If the microcode doesn't match, you are screwed = no windows booting under any circumstance.

Also the reason why i can't OC with the new microcode must be because even if it is newer it probably doesn't include the fixes / hacks to be able to overclock on H81 chipsets.

I know these chips are not power hungry but could it be that the power delivery on that board is no conducive to overclocking that much. Looks like 2 phase VRM's where something like Z97 might have 6 phase like mine. I don't know so I am not judging, I just thought I would ask. I definitely don't know Intel overclocking that well yet.
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