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Going near cache is making it unstable? What's maximum volt I can use for cache?

Max voltage for cache without damage is 1.2V ~ 1.25V.
Only apply more when delidded in combination with watercooling.

Most chips will reach 4Ghz @ Cache around 1.2V.
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http://www.purepc.pl/procesory/podkrecanie_skylake_core_i5_6500_i5_6400_i3_6100_i_pentium_g4400

Is G4400 worth upgrading from G3258? HELL NO.
G3258 biggest advantage, this chip can be installed and overclocked with cheap H81 mainboards and cheap 1600MHz DDR3 memory.
G4400 needs Z170 (for now), and if you want good scores in benchmarks and higher fps in games, also fast DDR4 sticks.

G3258 with Z97 and 2400MHz CL9 is still better in category price vs fps, than G4400 + Z170 + 3000MHz CL15.
Cheap overclocking with H110 or B150? we must be patience and wait for it.
post #4433 of 4577
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Is G4400 worth upgrading from G3258? HELL NO.

I would agree that going from a G3258 to a G4400 would be a shoddy upgrade, although moving from something like an i5 750 to a G4400 would be an excellent stepping stone if you needed a cheaper upgrade than investing in a 6600k/6700k right off the bat. The overall platform cost is higher, yes, but at the moment, DDR4 is no more expensive than DDR3 was 4-5 months ago, and you're investing in new tech that you just can't get on an older/cheaper board.

Edit: Also, I think you're overestimating the importance of ram speed. Just sayin.
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Here is a video in which it just froze in Witcher 3 but it wasn't overclocked:
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I was not trying to show is it worth upgrading from G3258. I am trying to show if you are building a new pc if you should go with G3258 or G4400. For me choice is clear. At stock speeds the G4400 runs circles around my G3258 overclocked to 4.7 ghz. The added price is only $10 for the processor, and maybe another $30-40 for memory and a Z170 board. Considering you get more performance and more future proofing not a bad deal.
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The prospect of upgrading to skylake vs getting a G3258 based system is even more reasonable when you add DDR3 based Z170/H170/B150/H110 boards to the equation. I recently reviewed a Combo board over on the ASRock forums which can utilize DDR3 or DDR4 RAM. While it isn't ideal for anyone wanting to overclock in any way it does make sense as an affordable upgrade and I know ASRock are not the only ones that have boards with support for DDR3 or DDR3 and DDR4 (though not simultaneously obviously). There have also been a few non-Z boards announced recently that will support BCLK overclocking. While I do love my little G3258 to tinker with, it's value has deflated significantly since I got it. My i5 6600k even at stock speeds makes it look like a crippled tortoise.

The best value out there to my mind at the moment for a budget builder would be an i3 6100, even at stock they are solid performers, add a cheap non-Z, BCLK capable board to the mix and you are ready to roll. I guess we will have to wait and see what these new, as yet unreleased, non-Z overclocking boards will be capable of but if they net you even 4ghz+ on an i3 or G4XXX it will likely put the G3258 out to pasture as a choice for a new system.
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I was not trying to show is it worth upgrading from G3258. I am trying to show if you are building a new pc if you should go with G3258 or G4400. For me choice is clear. At stock speeds the G4400 runs circles around my G3258 overclocked to 4.7 ghz. The added price is only $10 for the processor, and maybe another $30-40 for memory and a Z170 board. Considering you get more performance and more future proofing not a bad deal.

Really now? A bit surprising as Skylake isn't THAT much better than Haswell clock for clock.

Either way, I see myself jumping to a 4790K in the coming month. The G3258 has been awesome for a low price of $40 when I got it, no doubt.

I still think that DDR4 isn't at it's mature point yet, maybe another generation of CPUs from AMD and Intel will reflect the growth of the speed of DDR4 where it leaps further from DDR3 that today's current DDR4 speeds. Today's market, I still see Haswell being the better value for your dollar currently.
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Any one with asus non-z board running oc enabled?
I have a h97i-plus and it refuse to vdrop when OC'ing my g3258~, I know, i know electricity is cheap(dont beat me on that tongue.gif), but idle temp is a few degree higher etc etc.
It does downclock nicely.
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The only scenario in which DDR4 is going to net you some decent performance gains is with faster modules. Anything under DDR4 2800 isn't going to perform noticeably quicker than high end DDR3. In testing my ASRock H170 Combo I was able to put DDR3 and DDR4 head to head in the same system and I saw virtually no reason to use DDR4 with the system from a performance standpoint. It may shave a few nanoseconds off a few particular tasks but nothing you would notice unless you are batch processing massive workloads. The H170 based board was only able to deliver DDR3 1866 and DDR4 2133 speeds due to chipset limitations, however despite the architectural gap and ~267mhz higher clocks on the DDR4 the performance gap was scarcely noticeable.

Where DDR4 has an advantage is the possibility of higher capacities as well as lower power consumption. Not a huge concern for most now but once software starts demanding RAM capacities over 16gb it will prove essential. While reasonably high capacity DDR3 modules are available they are often expensive and frequently not compatible with older motherboards, including older Haswell based boards. We often see people with compatibility issues with large capacity DDR3 kits and it typically requires a custom BIOS to get them running, if it is possible at all.

DDR4 isn't mature yet and until it is we won't be seeing much in the way of benefit from it unless we are prepared to spend big on "cutting edge" kits, be they ludicrously fast or insanely large capacity. If you are torn between sticking with an older system or moving on to Skylake and DDR4 is a restrictive factor for you then looking at one of the many DDR3 based Skylake boards out there is a very viable option for the now. My DDR3 2800 kit still shines bright and would fit well in a DDR3, Z170 board. There are some very affordable Z170 boards out there now, some costing less than higher specced B150 boards.
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DDR4 is at the tipping point in its battle over DDR3 price/performance. It is mature enough now that launch kits seem like snail bits, and is considerably cheaper than it was. Don't be afraid of DDR4.
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