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Right. Where do you get this "information" from? MSI 970 Gaming uses PK616BA high-side and PK632BA low-side fets. Please post a link to the same fets sold under Renesas, IRF or OnSemi brands?

The thing is that the other components used on these commonly failing MSI boards are used on other brands too (uPI controllers and gate drivers). The only difference that the non-MSI boards use fets which are not supplied by Niko-Semi. For some odd reason these boards will not constantly fail either. I wonder why is that wink.gif

I'm just saying. don't look at the brand.
Just like when mums tell their children about fancy brands vs budget brands they both are the samethings.

Some brands have their own unique transitor where other manufacures do not make them. this may be the case with the niko transitors then.

If were saying a onsemi tip3055 will fail in the operation of switching aplications. Then changing to a fairchild tip3055 won't help either.
What should help is changing to higher wattage transistors or using more tip3055.
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name="Grompf" url="/t/1501416/msi-970-gaming-anyone/210#post_24832111"]MSI 970 Gaming after weird smell and crash (not mine)



After seeing this think Im going to replace my Board
    
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Don't overclock and you should be fine
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The funniest thing is that this board isn´t compatible with FX-9K series (220W) TDP CPUs (at least any more), while the 990FXA Gaming "is". 990FXA Gaming happens to have completely identical VRM this board rolleyessmileyanim.gif For 970 Gaming MSI says: "Warning: This MB doesn’t support 200W or above CPU."
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The funniest thing is that this board isn´t compatible with FX-9K series (220W) TDP CPUs (at least any more), while the 990FXA Gaming "is". 990FXA Gaming happens to have completely identical VRM this board rolleyessmileyanim.gif For 970 Gaming MSI says: "Warning: This MB doesn’t support 200W or above CPU."
Some times a 990board is for gaming. Not actually for overclocking.
MSI has made this one just for stock cpus and not supporting 220W cpus.

Their overclocking board for am3+ is really just the 990 gd80

Thats how I'm seeing it.
Gaming dosen't requite overclocking or just a very light overclock
I think their gaming series for am3 is just for games and no overclocking at all
post #226 of 459
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Some times a 990board is for gaming. Not actually for overclocking.
MSI has made this one just for stock cpus and not supporting 220W cpus.

Their overclocking board for am3+ is really just the 990 gd80

Thats how I'm seeing it.
Gaming dosen't requite overclocking or just a very light overclock
I think their gaming series for am3 is just for games and no overclocking at all

I don't understand why you are looking for excuses.

He is pointing the fact that MSI indicates the 990FXA Gaming is compatible with the FX9xxx series but the 970 Gaming is not. It's not about gaming or overclocking or whatever. It's about supporting a goddamn cpu. Check yourself:

https://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/support/990FXA-GAMING.html#support-cpu
https://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/support/970-GAMING.html#support-cpu

So why is the 990FXA Gaming is compatible and the 970 Gaming is not since it's the same VRM ? rolleyes.gif
Edited by Moumoule - 1/29/16 at 1:59am
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I don't understand why you are looking for excuses.

He is pointing the fact that MSI indicates the 990FXA Gaming is compatible with the FX9xxx series but the 970 Gaming is not. It's not about gaming or overclocking or whatever. It's about supporting a goddamn cpu. Check yourself:

https://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/support/990FXA-GAMING.html#support-cpu
https://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/support/970-GAMING.html#support-cpu

So why is the 990FXA Gaming is compatible and the 970 Gaming is not since it's the same VRM ? rolleyes.gif
I thought I ment both 990 gaming and 970 is for stock clocks only rolleyes.gif
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Some times a 990board is for gaming. Not actually for overclocking.
MSI has made this one just for stock cpus and not supporting 220W cpus.
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name="Grompf" url="/t/1501416/msi-970-gaming-anyone/210#post_24832111"]MSI 970 Gaming after weird smell and crash (not mine)



After seeing this think Im going to replace my Board

Well I was flashing the BIOS on mine, and it failed (via live update, yes I know I shouldn't have, but I realized that a bit too late) and send it for warranty repair and guess what.. I had the same thing under VRM heatsink like you and they accoused me for spilling water on my board.. had to send them few MSI forum links where people have same thing on the board to even consider trying to repair it. It has been 2 weeks now, and I just got an email from them asking what CPU I was using, they still believe it's the VRM that failed. And no I haven't told them it's the BIOS, because in Slovenia, the more stupid you are in matters like this, the better.
In the mean time, because I saw this wil take it's time and it might result in them not even fixing the board, and the fact the board is utter **** (few pages back you can see me complaining about some stuff), I decided to not go full retard again and be smart and buy an ASUS board, the M5A99X EVO R2.0, to be precise. And guess what? there's no problems with socket temperature readings, fan speeds are ACTUALLY regulated as they should be, kicking in the second I put a load on the cpu AND I could easily overclock to 4.5 stable with 1,4v with cooler master evo 212 (cant go further because of the temperatures), where the maximum stable I managed to hit with the MSI was a whooping 4.2 with 1.42v and high temps and it didn't go past 4.3 even with 1.5v because of the vdroop (that is 4.3 not fully stable as some cores fail after few minutes in prime, but at least it booted..), where on the asus I'm expecting at least 4.7 when I buy a decent AIO water cooler. I have an r9 290x which really heats up my whole setup, so a closed loop, with fresh intake wouldn't have to deal with the GPU heat and it would lower the "ambient" temp for at least 5-10 degrees by itself.
Ok so... lesson learned. DONT GO WITH MSI, stuff looks and works like it wasn't even tested, even the connectors on the board are on questionable locations, which are hard to access. The overclocking potential is non existent, their software is utter ****; command center useless as it doesn't load settings automatically, live update ****ty as it failed to update the BIOS, even if it should be done via BIOS itelf, they market it as a feature and it's bundled, plus the program itself notified me for the update.

EDIT: Sorry forgot to actually address the oily thing leaking from the VRM. People on MSI forums concluded it's some kind of non conductive oil they use to "clean" the board after manufacturing, and some of it might stay under the vrm heatsink and it shouldn't be dangerous. I had it like that for few months and didn't have problems because of it. No one is 100% sure it's that as it might also be the thermal thingy between heatsink and the VRM. But again.. I had it like that for some time and didn't have any problems. If you plan to send it back, don't forget to google MSI 970 oil VRM or VRM leak and collect some forum links as they might accuse you for spilling water on it too tongue.gif
Edited by ookiie - 1/29/16 at 5:34am
post #229 of 459
Those cheap thermal pads used between the mosfets and the heatsink start bleeding out the silicone oil, once things get extremely hot. High quality stuff from e.g. T-Global doesn´t bleed like that.
post #230 of 459
I'm not even surprised, I just hope they don't accuse me for that happening and will fix the board so I can at least sell it. I'm not sure if BIOS flash fail is covered with warranty so I tell them what happened before they find even more MSI errors -.-
The only thing this board has is nice looks, useless marketing stuff like the sound card with headphone AMP, that makes no difference, the Killer network, that makes even less difference and of course the steep price... Gotta charge for that looks right.
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