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Thanks for the post. I think the board is on the flexible side. Is there a specific pad brand/model you'd suggest? I know some of them are more conductive but I've also read suggestions from people to avoid the highest conductivity pad because it's too rigid or something.

Also, is there a thermal glue that could be used to mount DIY heatsinks? Or is the glue's conductivity too low to make it worthwhile?
Whenever a heatsink requires thermal tape or thermal glue to mount on.
The ammount of cooling of component that component is required should be low. That is why they use thermal tape for memory chips. The cooling reqired is small thus its the right application for it

Its better than having no heatsink at all.
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Just a reminder, seeing 60-70c on the VRM heatsink means you are probably approaching 90c at the MOSFets themselves.

Ive had zero issues out of my 970 Gaming, though I am well aware that it is a cheap board. I swapped an old ASRock 970 Ex3 for the MSI 970 Gaming, got a few extra Mhz out of the old FX-4100 with it too (which is a terrible chip, it maxes out at ~4600 before needing absurd voltages).

I would suggest the following for the MSI 970 Gaming when overclocking...

Ive been here without problems running OCCT
1.7v max for FX-4xxx

These are more of a best guess
1.6v max for FX-6xxx
1.5v max for FX-8xxx

Keep the VRM heatsink under 60c.
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The funniest thing is that this board isn´t compatible with FX-9K series (220W) TDP CPUs (at least any more), while the 990FXA Gaming "is". 990FXA Gaming happens to have completely identical VRM this board rolleyessmileyanim.gif For 970 Gaming MSI says: "Warning: This MB doesn’t support 200W or above CPU."

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Some times a 990board is for gaming. Not actually for overclocking.
MSI has made this one just for stock cpus and not supporting 220W cpus.

Their overclocking board for am3+ is really just the 990 gd80

Thats how I'm seeing it.
Gaming dosen't requite overclocking or just a very light overclock
I think their gaming series for am3 is just for games and no overclocking at all

I don't understand why you are looking for excuses.

He is pointing the fact that MSI indicates the 990FXA Gaming is compatible with the FX9xxx series but the 970 Gaming is not. It's not about gaming or overclocking or whatever. It's about supporting a goddamn cpu. Check yourself:

https://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/support/990FXA-GAMING.html#support-cpu
https://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/support/970-GAMING.html#support-cpu

So why is the 990FXA Gaming is compatible and the 970 Gaming is not since it's the same VRM ? rolleyes.gif

At the very least 990 has a much better heatsink on it than the 970.
I know that the number and layout is the same between the 2 , but I am not sure they are the same parts. Nikos PK616BA ( 30V/50A/7mΩ) and PK632ba's (30V/78A/3.3mΩ) are what the 990 gaming is equipped with - does anyone have the part numbers off the 970?

I'd say you would have to do something really silly to kill the 990 gaming, like disabling smart protection and pouring the volts to it ( over 1.6 volts on an 8 core).
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I'd say you would have to do something really silly to kill the 990 gaming, like disabling smart protection and pouring the volts to it ( over 1.6 volts on an 8 core).

Well guys can make up stories or kill the board on purpourse and put it online to try ruin manufactures reputation
.
Not saying anyone did because I don't know if anyone has. So please don't be offended by reading this
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I'd say you would have to do something really silly to kill the 990 gaming, like disabling smart protection and pouring the volts to it ( over 1.6 volts on an 8 core).

Well guys can make up stories or kill the board on purpourse and put it online to try ruin manufactures reputation
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Not saying anyone did because I don't know if anyone has. So please don't be offended by reading this

It's been done with many products.
Much like companies paying people to generate positive feedback for their products online under the guise simply being someone who purchased it .
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Well guys can make up stories or kill the board on purpourse and put it online to try ruin manufactures reputation
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Not saying anyone did because I don't know if anyone has. So please don't be offended by reading this

The problem is that when this MB launched it was listed as supporting the FX-9xxx chips. In reality, it is NOT up to the task at all. As soon as you put an AIO cooler on the board the VRM is going to cook, especially if the VRM heatsink is hitting 65c on an open bench.
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Well guys can make up stories or kill the board on purpourse and put it online to try ruin manufactures reputation
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Not saying anyone did because I don't know if anyone has. So please don't be offended by reading this

The problem is that when this MB launched it was listed as supporting the FX-9xxx chips. In reality, it is NOT up to the task at all. As soon as you put an AIO cooler on the board the VRM is going to cook, especially if the VRM heatsink is hitting 65c on an open bench.

I don't think it was ever touted as supporting 220 watt processors, even the 990 didn't support the FX 9xxx's until a recent bios update.
Can you provide a link to a review etc that indicates it did? Anand's review of the board states that it does not.

EDIT:

The 990 gaming with the latest bios actually locks you out of the voltage adjustments in bios when a 220 watt processor is placed on it.
It would run all 8 cores at 4.7ghz on the auto voltage setting however. Which on my particular 9370 was 1.5 volts.
If you are running an FX 8xxx it will allow over 2 volts to the cpu and I was able to run benches at 1.64 volts at speeds above 5 ghz without any issue. I would say that going above that, even with good airflow is unwise.
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Keep the VRM heatsink under 60c.
That's basically impossible with my UD3P 2.0, even at 4.4 with a fan blowing right onto the sink.
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Maybe they´ll use eight of those Niko-Semi fets per phase instead of four in the next revision lachen.gifrolleyessmileyanim.gif

"Military-Class", "Top Quality & Stability" indeed.
I think theres a diffrence between both.
Both can be military class 2 3 or 4.
Millitary class deterimins mainly the chokes and capacitors used.
If they have not advertised DRMos during military class desctription that means they have no drmos.

We can see some boards are military class4, some has drmos and some dosen't.
The one that dosen't have no discription about drmos

For instance 990 gd65 has no DRMOS and we see no where in desctiption takling about drmos
This means 990 gaming isn't designged to be overclocking. Its for gamming as advertised

http://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/990FXA-GD80.html#hero-overview
http://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/990FXA-GD65.html#hero-overview




http://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/X99S-MPOWER.html#hero-overview
http://www.msi.com/product/motherboard/990FXA-GAMING.html#hero-overview
990 gaming vs Mpower 99

By the way, if they use 8 mosfets instead of 4 it may equate to more power capple of outputing. which means better vrms than DRMOS
You need to learn your boards mate. The GD65 has DrMos.
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You need to learn your boards mate. The GD65 has DrMos.
Guess I can't make a generalisation for MSI then
And Yes I found a picture online it has vrms
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