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Hello everyone,

I want to watercool an AMD FX 8350 and my GPU a 4GB XFX Radeon R9 290 Black Edition Double Dissipation. The radiator will be mounted at the back of the case as in this post http://www.overclock.net/t/525009/official-the-coolermaster-storm-scout-scout-ii-club/17320

Basically I need to know what to get, I have a kit in mind with most of the bits I need for the CPU it comes with a pump, radiator, CPU block, tubes and reservoir. What I need help with is will I need 2 radiators one for the CPU and one for the GPU? I am also struggling to find a block for my exact card. I was gonna get this kit http://www.scan.co.uk/products/alphacool-nexxxos-cool-answer-240-ddc-xt-kit

Any help would be appreciated such as where I get the screws to do the rear mount?

Paul
post #2 of 16
Does the Double Dissipation have a different PCB layout? If it is the same PCB layout as the reference card, a waterblock that is compatible with the reference card should be what you're looking for. There are lots of waterblock brands out there, but in my personal experience I've had the pleasure of working with EK blocks. They have many options for GPU waterblocks that should suit your needs.

2 240mm radiators should be enough to cool both your CPU and GPU with a generous overclock on each. I know the 290 outputs a lot of heat compared to most cards, but I think you should still be fine with temps. If you added more radiators you could turn down the fan speed to have a quieter PC with the same cooling effectiveness.

The screws for the rear mount might be tricky. The screws that will attach the bracket to the fan mount should be just normal fan screws, but you'll have to find special ones for connecting the bracket to the radiator. The NexXxoS radiators come only with screws to mount the fans (at least in my experience). There are sites like PerformancePC's and FrozenCPU that you could easily find shorter screws at, though.
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Would my setup be from pump to CPU to radiator to gpu to radiator back to reservoir. I'm totally new to this so finding it confusing, whats the deal with different size tubing does the tube still fit all components no matter the size but has differing flexibility.

I think its the same layout as reference.

is this suitable http://www.scan.co.uk/products/ek-fc-r9-290x-nickel-full-cover-water-block-for-amd-radeon-r9-290x-and-290

Thanks.
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Take the shortest route possible, if that is going from block to a radiator then do so but do not do it under the assumption that it will lower water temperatures and then proceed to plumb the rest of the loop this way. Water temperature equalizes a few seconds after you start the pump, at most there will be a 1-2c temperature difference from one point in the loop to another (if any at all).

According to EK's cooling configurator, it is compatible. thumb.gif
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Would my setup be from pump to CPU to radiator to gpu to radiator back to reservoir. I'm totally new to this so finding it confusing, whats the deal with different size tubing does the tube still fit all components no matter the size but has differing flexibility.

I think its the same layout as reference.

is this suitable http://www.scan.co.uk/products/ek-fc-r9-290x-nickel-full-cover-water-block-for-amd-radeon-r9-290x-and-290

Thanks.

Assuming it's the same PCB as the reference card (double check the specs!), I believe that would work. But before you jump in, make sure you know what you're doing. If you're finding it confusing still, you're not ready (trust me, I jumped in early too. Ended spending a couple hundred dollars more than I had planned on mistakes I made rolleyes.gif).

There are plenty of youtube tutorials on how to setup a custom watercooling loop. This one (and the others in the series) helped me quite a bit, but be sure to read up on articles and ask plenty of questions.

The tubing size that you use does not matter very much, if at all. You probably know this, but the tubing size is measured in ID/OD (Inner Diameter/Outer Diameter) format. Some common sizes are:

3/8" ID, 1/2" OD
1/2" ID, 3/4" OD
1/2" ID, 5/8" OD
(etc)

Using the same type of tubing (but different diameters) shouldn't have an impact on the flexibility. The flexibility of the tubing comes from the material itself. Although I suppose thicker tubing might be more prone to kinking at smaller bend angles(?) All in all, the tubing size is more of a matter of personal aesthetic choice than anything else. Some people like wider tubing, some people like thinner tubing. Since you're relatively space limited, I would try thinner tubing. Maybe something along the lines of 3/8" ID, 1/2" OD (or slightly bigger). This is the sizing that I used for my Micro ATX form factor build (link in sig if you're curious to see the sizing), so you should have no problem using it in an ATX form factor.

(ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, buy the correct sized fittings for the tube diameters you're using! I may have messed that up once or twice...)
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post #6 of 16
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thanks again I am doing as much research as possible before buying. Are fittings for tube diameters generic when it comes to connecting to radiators and blocks. I assume the block and radiator do not come with the fittings as they are different for the tubing you have? My main concern is shoving a load of liquid in my PC, have you had leaks on can offer advice on avoiding leaks.

Thanks.

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Half tempted for a new case to make the job easier.
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thanks again I am doing as much research as possible before buying. Are fittings for tube diameters generic when it comes to connecting to radiators and blocks. I assume the block and radiator do not come with the fittings as they are different for the tubing you have? My main concern is shoving a load of liquid in my PC, have you had leaks on can offer advice on avoiding leaks.

Thanks.

Paul

Fittings are sold based on the sizes of tubing. So if you have 3/8" ID/1/2" OD tubing, you would purchase 3/8" ID/1/2" OD compression fittings from whichever manufacturer you chose. Also make sure the fittings have G1/4 threads to screw into the radiator/waterblock holes. G1/4 seems to be the current standard among manufacturers.

I did have a leak once. Leaks will mostly be small drips that are hardly noticeable. They'll occur around the fittings and are usually a result of not tightening the fitting enough, or having a cracked O ring (like I did). When handled properly, leaks are not a big deal and won't cause any damage. I recommend doing a 24 hour leak test with paper towels around all of the fittings. If at any point during those 24 hours a paper towel gets wet, you know have a leak around that fitting (and your components are protected from water damage). Another safety technique is to only run the pump and none of the other components by jumping the PSU while the 24-Pin and CPU power are disconnected. Your components are much more likely to survive water when they're powered off.

Let's say you have a leak; all you need to do is put more paper towels around the fitting to absorb the water that is dripping out. Then open your drain port and drain all the water (ALWAYS have an easy to access drain port. I will usually have a Y fitting somewhere in the loop that splits the flow. At the end of one of the branches, I add a mini-valve that I can open anytime I want to drain water. Extremely convenient). Once it's been drained, disassemble the loop, throw away the faulty fitting/waterblock, and replace it.
My drain port (Click to show)
Whenever it's not in use, I just tuck it back inside the case.

Edited by Fluency - 7/13/14 at 2:56pm
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Half tempted for a new case to make the job easier.

I'm inclined to agree. Especially if this is your first time watercooling, it helps to have a spacious case. If you're not even able to mount the radiator inside the case, I would say it's time to get a bigger case. (Not saying people haven't ever successfully watercooled without radiator space though! rolleyes.gif)
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post #10 of 16
If you ever do have a leak when running just the pump and not the PC to try out the loop no big deal just dry off the parts as much as you can then lay the wet parts out let them dry and reassemble your good to go
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