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#1 ·
I have been working on a build that i want for Christmas. I have worked hard on ti and made it as cheap and as fast as possible but i think there might still be improvements, that's why i am posting this. i would like you to take a look at the build: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Chocbrowniesfoo/saved/PF98TW

If you could list any ways i could make this cheaper or faster i would like you to comment

Rules:
•If it is going to cost £10-£20 more it has got to be a huge improvement
•If it is going to cost £0-£5 more it can be an average or higher improvement
• If you are making it cheaper and faster thank you so much
•If you can make it cheaper with NO performance loss i will be very happy
•If it is going to be a performance loss it can only be slight and be alot cheaper

So GL!
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Aslo just because i posted this in AMD doesnt mean the processor and graphics card have to stay AMD they can be changed so don't be biased, thanks!
 
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#2 ·
This build looks already good but there might be some improvements. It just depends on the things you do.

You dont need extra thermal compound. The included TIM with the D15 is excellent.

Do you want to overclock? If you do you could consider the FX 8320 to save 20 bucks. It will propably hit still 4,8ghz+.
If not you should save money on the cooler. Its one of the best but without overclocking there is no need for such a strong cooler. For stock a cheaper one will be plenty.

Of course you can squeeze more money out of the case and psu but both are already good and you would have to give up the modular options from the psu for example. So its propably fine.

Edit: I would remove the soundcard aswell. Im actually not sure if the soundcard is an improvement over the onboard sound. Onboard has been improved alot in the past and the difference between a low budget soundcard and MB should be non-existend.
 
#3 ·
FX-6300 will be both cheaper and faster for nearly all games once overclocked with that motherboard and cooler. Almost no games will make use of more than 6 cores, but the FX-6300 can get to 4.7-4.8ghz on air where 4.4ghz is more typical for the FX-8350.

I have an FX-8350 and the same motherboard, myself.

Also cheaper, and even faster: i5-4460 + a B85 motherboard like GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H. Use the included HSF and forget about aftermarket cooling.
 
#6 ·
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Originally Posted by Ultra-m-a-n View Post

Disable 2 cores and see if you can push it further?
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Well yes, I can hit 4.8ghz with only six cores enabled, and it's actually better for gaming that way. Which is why I recommended OP get a FX-6300 and save a lot of money! Though if I had to do over again I would just get an i5. Even a locked i5 is better than FX for gaming unless you dump a lot of money into the motherboard and cooling for the FX chip.
 
#7 ·
PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/6RKjBm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/6RKjBm/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor (ÂŁ97.00 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS12X Ball Bearing CPU Cooler (ÂŁ54.46 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard (ÂŁ62.96 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (ÂŁ59.18 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card (ÂŁ279.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Scout 2 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case (ÂŁ59.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (ÂŁ58.99 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (ÂŁ59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy SE 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (ÂŁ17.39 @ Aria PC)
Other: Seagate Barracuda (ÂŁ29.40)
Total: ÂŁ777.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-29 01:37 BST+0100

Slighly better mobo,faster ram,heatsink similar to nh d14`s performance,for my like better case in gpu cooling(also you can put a corsaor 300r if you like)and a 24% better gpu
 
#8 ·
I have taken your ideas and this is what has came out: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Chocbrowniesfoo/saved/PF98TW the price has dropped a ton so thanks for helping!
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/6RKjBm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/6RKjBm/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor (ÂŁ97.00 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS12X Ball Bearing CPU Cooler (ÂŁ54.46 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard (ÂŁ62.96 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (ÂŁ59.18 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card (ÂŁ279.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Scout 2 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case (ÂŁ59.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (ÂŁ58.99 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (ÂŁ59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy SE 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (ÂŁ17.39 @ Aria PC)
Other: Seagate Barracuda (ÂŁ29.40)
Total: ÂŁ777.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-29 01:37 BST+0100

Slighly better mobo,faster ram,heatsink similar to nh d14`s performance,for my like better case in gpu cooling(also you can put a corsaor 300r if you like)and a 24% better gpu
The video card is better but not by that much, not ÂŁ80 better although i did take the PSU as it was cheaper but i would like to ask, would this be quiet? Im trying to make a quiet build and i am going to be getting noise dampening foam so if it wont be, plz tell me if there is a better one.
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by Chocbrowniesfoo View Post

I have taken your ideas and this is what has came out: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Chocbrowniesfoo/saved/PF98TW the price has dropped a ton so thanks for helping!
The video card is better but not by that much, not ÂŁ80 better although i did take the PSU as it was cheaper but i would like to ask, would this be quiet? Im trying to make a quiet build and i am going to be getting noise dampening foam so if it wont be, plz tell me if there is a better one.
not by much? 24% IS MORE than enough to get better fps are 4k or eyefinity

you are getting slower ram for about the same money
a more expensve case that lacks of gpu air cooling
a 24% slower gpu in gaming, 20 to 30% slower in opencl. 1gb less ram, not compatible with True Audio and freesync
a worse mobo VRMs wise
and a CPU that will perform worse than a FX 8320 since the higher frecuency in some ases just will match FX 8320 at 4ghz is just a limit of the cpu, plus that heatsink is overkill

and save just 10pounds to get worse performance and better cpu cooling?
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

not by much? 24% IS MORE than enough to get better fps are 4k or eyefinity

you are getting slower ram for about the same money
a more expensve case that lacks of gpu air cooling
a 24% slower gpu in gaming, 20 to 30% slower in opencl. 1gb less ram, not compatible with True Audio and freesync
a worse mobo VRMs wise
and a CPU that will perform worse than a FX 8320 since the higher frecuency in some ases just will match FX 8320 at 4ghz is just a limit of the cpu, plus that heatsink is overkill

and save just 10pounds to get worse performance and better cpu cooling?
wahh?

the FX-6300 is the same as 8350 but with 2 less cores and its alot cheaper i actually looked at the specs (not much difference) Are you sure the GPU is that much faster? GPUBoss says otherwise and i cant spend that much, im supposed to be trying to keep it under ÂŁ700, Why would i need it anyway? It doesnt need to be THAT overkill, im only recording games at max settings. Im also sticking with the Noctua because it is quiet and yes i would like to overclock.
 
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#14 ·
get the gigabyte 970a-ud3p, fx6300 overclock it to around 4.7ghz with a corsair h100i with 1.45 volts and a r9 280x or r9 290x i have that setup but with a 7850 and can play most games on ultra tweed very high

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#15 ·
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Originally Posted by fx63007850 View Post

get the gigabyte 970a-ud3p, fx6300 overclock it to around 4.7ghz with a corsair h100i with 1.45 volts and a r9 280x or r9 290x i have that setup but with a 7850 and can play most games on ultra tweed very high

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doubt the h100i is in the budget..
 
#16 ·
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Originally Posted by XanderTheGoober View Post

doubt the h100i is in the budget..
H100i is a waste of money anyway when you can buy an air cooler thats just as good for less money and the aircooler makes less noise.
 
#17 ·
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

H100i is a waste of money anyway when you can buy an air cooler thats just as good for less money and the aircooler makes less noise.
Not going to argue there. only advantage the h100i would pose is potentially fitting in a case where a bulky air cooler might not, or overhang one of the ram dims or in some cases i've seen an air cooler overlap the first pci express slot. if you're building a system new anyway and have not bought the case, get a decent case for the big air cooler
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#21 ·
If the combined cost of your HSF and FX-6300 is more than the cost of an i5-4590 then you have some serious novelty factor hurting the outcome in terms of performance/$. There's nothing wrong with novelty, but reading the stated goals here I don't see any tolerance for the concept on this build. If you want a true performance/value build the HSF certainly shouldn't cost more than the CPU itself.

With the release of haswell refresh CPUs the value of PD is fading fast. It's really hard to find a niche for it to be a value winner anymore.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (ÂŁ139.98 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer i11 74.0 CFM CPU Cooler (ÂŁ17.00 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (ÂŁ53.08 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Mushkin Stealth 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (ÂŁ59.99 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (ÂŁ30.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card (ÂŁ201.00 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Aerocool DS Cube White Edition Silent Cube MicroATX Mini Tower Case (ÂŁ60.72 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Super Flower Golden Green HX 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (ÂŁ56.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (ÂŁ34.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: ÂŁ653.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 06:34 BST+0100

The build above costs less than the FX-6300 build and will perform as good or better in any game (never worse). Even with the FX-6300 overclocked the i5 is going to be better. The i5 has more execution resources than the FX-6300 consolidated into less cores, which makes it better suited to real time workloads where inter-core parallelism is more difficult to scale into.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by fx63007850 View Post

get the gigabyte 970a-ud3p, fx6300 overclock it to around 4.7ghz with a corsair h100i with 1.45 volts and a r9 280x or r9 290x i have that setup but with a 7850 and can play most games on ultra tweed very high

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I already have the R9 280X in my build? And are people even reading what i write? I said im making this a silent build and h100i isn't needed, that's why i got the noctua because it is also very quiet (like i said, i'm trying to make a quiet build)
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Originally Posted by XanderTheGoober View Post

doubt the h100i is in the budget..
again, i said my budget is ÂŁ800 i could get that but i don't want to.
 
#23 ·
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

If the combined cost of your HSF and FX-6300 is more than the cost of an i5-4590 then you have some serious novelty factor hurting the outcome in terms of performance/$. There's nothing wrong with novelty, but reading the stated goals here I don't see any tolerance for the concept on this build. If you want a true performance/value build the HSF certainly shouldn't cost more than the CPU itself.

With the release of haswell refresh CPUs the value of PD is fading fast. It's really hard to find a niche for it to be a value winner anymore.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (ÂŁ139.98 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer i11 74.0 CFM CPU Cooler (ÂŁ17.00 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (ÂŁ53.08 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Mushkin Stealth 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (ÂŁ59.99 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (ÂŁ30.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card (ÂŁ201.00 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Aerocool DS Cube White Edition Silent Cube MicroATX Mini Tower Case (ÂŁ60.72 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Super Flower Golden Green HX 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (ÂŁ56.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (ÂŁ34.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: ÂŁ653.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 06:34 BST+0100

The build above costs less than the FX-6300 build and will perform as good or better in any game (never worse). Even with the FX-6300 overclocked the i5 is going to be better. The i5 has more execution resources than the FX-6300 consolidated into less cores, which makes it better suited to real time workloads where inter-core parallelism is more difficult to scale into.
This seems REALLY good but is it quiet?
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by Chocbrowniesfoo View Post

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Originally Posted by fx63007850 View Post

get the gigabyte 970a-ud3p, fx6300 overclock it to around 4.7ghz with a corsair h100i with 1.45 volts and a r9 280x or r9 290x i have that setup but with a 7850 and can play most games on ultra tweed very high

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I already have the R9 280X in my build? And are people even reading what i write? I said im making this a silent build and h100i isn't needed, that's why i got the noctua because it is also very quiet (like i said, i'm trying to make a quiet build)
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Originally Posted by XanderTheGoober View Post

doubt the h100i is in the budget..
again, i said my budget is ÂŁ800 i could get that but i don't want to.
sorry did not read it all the intel build look good but you could get unlocked cpu as you already have a gpu

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#26 ·
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Originally Posted by Chocbrowniesfoo View Post

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Originally Posted by fx63007850 View Post

sorry did not read it all the intel build look good but you could get unlocked cpu as you already have a gpu

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Get an unlocked cpu because i have a gpu? Doesn't every build have a gpu?
i mean as you already have a 280x you could put more money towards a unlocked cpu so you could overclock it

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