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#1 ·
hey im thinking about getting an 8350, and i want to make sure i get some good vrm cooling built in. I plan to overclock. But i notice most of the boards have 2.0 pcie slots, and i have a powercolor 6950 2gb gpu, which it says it needs 2.0, would i notice a performance increase or decrease between the 2.0 or 3.0 slot with this gpu.

Im switching from a 750k, and i had an a88x msi g45 gaming motherboard, which i got very good performance out of, i just dont want to upgrade to a better cpu, all to find out i have decreased gpu performance, because of an older pcie slot. Any recommended boards for under 150 for this cpu, looking for good vrm, and depending on whether the pcie will make a difference, 3.0.
 
#3 ·
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Originally Posted by soulwrath View Post

No 990fx board has 3.0 your best bet for that price is the asus m5a99fx mobo. Instead of going 8350 I suggest i5 4570 or 90k
fx 6300 or i5 4690k

6300 at 4.8 is about a 8150 in multithread no game benefit really of the 8350 except maybe crysis 3

suggest the 4690k because it run cooler and got a lower power comsumption and will beat a 8350 when overclocked even stock

singlethread power is still better because most engine have problem to scale on multiple core
 
#4 ·
ok now my next questio, im coming from a 750k using 3.0, am i going to notice any stutter switching to the fx6300 with a 2.0 pcie

should i just buy another 760k , or should i get a 6300fx

right now i will have to buy another cpu and mobo either way , just wondering what the best route would be

or should i go with the g3258, and overclock it, using a 97 board, and upgrade when next gen chips come out
 
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

ok now my next questio, im coming from a 750k using 3.0, am i going to notice any stutter switching to the fx6300 with a 2.0 pcie

should i just buy another 760k , or should i get a 6300fx

right now i will have to buy another cpu and mobo either way , just wondering what the best route would be

or should i go with the g3258, and overclock it, using a 97 board, and upgrade when next gen chips come out
fx 6300 will eat a g3258 at 4.8ghz in multithread but the pentium will have alot better single thread

the pentium at 4.5 with a hyper 212 is not too far aways from a fx 6300 stock

the pentium can compete with the i5 so yea Pentium is the ways to go and an overclock to over 4.0ghz will do it

Can be a good choice did not think of that pentium ahah

G3258 and i5 4690k are your best upgrade path..

and no the pci 2.0 will not affect at all your gpu
 
#7 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

but would i get fps drops if i have stuff running in the background since its dual core
it a myth (except in server environment)

it all about power not core ( architecture)

the only advantage with an fx is the cpu cant reach 100% usage for an unknow reason so it leave about 15-25% power for video rendering

the i5 is better if you want to record video... except that no core number have no effect on multitasking.

I myself multitask to death on a old core 2 duo that is about 6x less powerfull than the pentium ( i play world of warcraft at the same time
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but would i get fps drops if i have stuff running in the background since its dual core
This is 2014 man, avoid a dual core if you can.

What games do you play?

FX CPU can make a fine system. I still suggest a i5 over FX, but I would avoid anything dual core.

The largest advantage I see my intel based system have over my fx based systems are in older console ports that rely on a strong single core. Considering that's a thing of the past (or working on it), I think the FX chips have a much brighter future ahead of them then they're given credit for.

I think...

i5 > FX 6300 > FX 8350 > dual core whatever

Reason I'd pick the FX 6300 over the FX 8350 is overclocking headroom and temps. Also, if you're going to spend enough to get a 8350, might as well just get a i5 "IMO".
 
#11 ·
well, if i got the g3258 , it would just be a stand in while i save up for an i5 or an i7. or a next gen chip, ill be getting a 97 board

only reason im changin from 750k is because the motherboard i was using got messed up during a bios update, so i tried to clear cmos and remove battery and reseat everything and even assembled outside of case. Nada, so i tried reseating again, but my cpu cooler got stuck to it, and i didnt notice while i was undoing the brackets, and i bent a bunch of pins, then i bought an xacto knife and tried to bent them back, i was almost there, then i bent three pins , ruined the cpu, and no idea if the mobo is good or not, so i said screw it and decided to get a new setup, i was actually very satisfied with my un overclocked 750k, so the pentium would be a great increase if its that much better.
 
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

well, if i got the g3258 , it would just be a stand in while i save up for an i5 or an i7. or a next gen chip, ill be getting a 97 board
That works. I'm all about upgrading later. Spend more in the end, but then you end up with enough parts to make more then one system. =D

I haven't played the ones you mentioned. I do know that mmo's do about as well on my FX as i7. Spots where one CPU gets dragged down, all seem to. My ol'lady plays guild wars 2. In a large zerg with 50+ people on the screen any system will drop fps hard. You might end up with some extra on the intel based system, but it isn't like the FX is dropping to 10 fps, and the intel is kicking out 60. More like the FX drops to 10 and the intel drops to 12 - 14. More or less. Really wish I could get her to test that better... We're talking about a FX 6300/HD 7850/8gb vs i7 4770k/GTX780/16gb. (These results are at max settings, not low or some crap) They play mmo about the same.

I'd look into that route though. Get the dual core now, if you're happy with it then good. If you want more, then get more. Just realize some games are limited by more then just GPU and CPU and no amount of system power can save them.
 
#13 ·
yeah right on man, i love defiance, it reminds me of a mmo version of borderlands 2. The fps drops i had were on a stock 750k, with like 30+ enemies shooting rocket launchers, shotguns and ars, along with my teammates shooting back, it wasnt a huge deal, just hard to aim when it chops up (especially with a gamepad)( Id imagine an oced pentium would be way better. My 6950 2gb plays all of my games maxed out settings, havent met a game it cant max out at 1080p( and considering i play in the living room, i use 720p a lot, because i cant see anything on the screen at 1080p)(text is too small)
 
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Originally Posted by Chargeit View Post

This is 2014 man, avoid a dual core if you can.

What games do you play?

FX CPU can make a fine system. I still suggest a i5 over FX, but I would avoid anything dual core.

The largest advantage I see my intel based system have over my fx based systems are in older console ports that rely on a strong single core. Considering that's a thing of the past (or working on it), I think the FX chips have a much brighter future ahead of them then they're given credit for.

I think...

i5 > FX 6300 > FX 8350 > dual core whatever

Reason I'd pick the FX 6300 over the FX 8350 is overclocking headroom and temps. Also, if you're going to spend enough to get a 8350, might as well just get a i5 "IMO".
i OWN A 6300 I own Core 2 duo i own core 2 quad what can i tell you more that core count do nothing core 2quad extreme vs a pentium worth 70$ and the pentium destroy it that all i can say..

The pentium or i5 nothing else the fx 6300 run hot... 8350 need a mobo better than a m5a99fx pro or you need to add fan on the vrm and chip on back of mobo to stay under 100c

fx 6300 do not overclock better than a 8350 it a myth fx 6300 is a bad 8core sold as a 6 core...

i booted at 5.1 ghz 1 time and never was able to redo it with 2 core enabled there was no reason it will not at 1.55 volt even 4.9

I hate when people say thing without looking

THAT DUAL CORE IS SICKNESS FOR 75$

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2014/07/03/intel-core-i5-4690k-review/5

btw the bench is with a 680
 
#15 ·
I can say that my 7950 at 1100 core just scored 7800 in fire strike (gpu score)

And my cpu want more on some game and other the cpu is there at 30% saying crap and the gpu at 40%

that why i say pentium or i5 less core is better (developper are doing nothing to improve multicore performance..) only bf4 crysis 3 and some other game use the core correctly and even them..

Beam Ng is currently in developpement based on cryengine if i remember well it multithreaded but im bottlenecked because the mainthread is at 100%
 
#17 ·
The FX 6300 I got for my ol'lady oc's easily and runs cool, I never tired to break records with it though. I'm comparing that to my FX 8320 which is much hotter and harder to OC clock for clock vs my 6300. I still wouldn't buy a FX 8350 when it's so close to a i5 in price even if it does have the potential of being a much better oc'er. It makes no sense. If you're not buying a i5, save money get a FX 6300 and OC it the best you can (mine pulls 44 without effort, haven't tried higher).
 
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#18 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

yeah i really dont care about benchmarks too much, as long as i can get a decent smooth gameplay experience,
It a game benchmark ( average of fps in the game etc )

Depending on game the pentium is strong in game like bf4 and crysis is not the best choice but it can run it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4pwKrvfKBs crysis 3 on 750ti i7 and pentium

The best is the i5-i3 the fx 6300 is good but it can cause problem in the future if a game is not multithreaded

If you can buy a i5 it well worth it
 
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Originally Posted by Chargeit View Post

The FX 6300 I got for my ol'lady oc's easily and runs cool, I never tired to break records with it though. I'm comparing that to my FX 8320 which is much hotter and harder to OC clock for clock vs my 6300. I still wouldn't buy a FX 8350 when it's so close to a i5 in price even if it does have the potential of being a much better oc'er. It makes no sense. If you're not buying a i5, save money get a FX 6300 and OC it the best you can (mine pulls 44 without effort, haven't tried higher).
it a good chip but it bottleneck even at 4.8 in some of my game i have a 7950 though.. The i3 will have less power less fps in somegame but it will work well with everything while the fx will not..

+1 for the 8350 it not worth it i have no problem in bf4 50fps + without mantle maxed out
 
#20 ·
I personally would agree with Chargeit's suggestions. If you're looking for upgrade ability in the future, go for the dual core, then go bigger later. I would pick an i5 over an AMD chip. Only because AMD AM3+ boards have sort of stalemated recently. They aren't coming out with anything that hasn't already been around for years. They also still have no PCIe 3.0.

BUT, if you did decide to go with the 8350 for whatever reason, pretty much any 990fx board will perform about the same. The Intel boards are actively being improved upon though.

The rest of what's being said is just personal experience and personal preference. It's well known that certain chips will clock better than others, even though they are the same model. My 8120 can reach 4.5Ghz at under 1.4V, while my buddies can't get above 4.2Ghz until 1.55V with the same chip and same motherboard. Every CPU will perform differently.

OP, you've got your own personal preference, I'd go with that when you make a final decision.
 
#21 ·
MSI Z97-G55 SLI LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
and pentium K
=160 after rebates and sales, and ive also got a 20 dollar newegg gift card ,and considering i keep getting that the dual core beats the rest out, and i can upgrade to next gen down the line if i wanted to with this board, i think thats what ill do,

so for a decent mobo and the pentium, it would only cost me 140 total after sales, rebates, and gift card.

anybody else want to share their experience with the pentium
 
#22 ·
yeah i really like the action mmos, i hate point and click and spamming hot keys, you got any recommendations for that, is guild wars 2 like that , im thinking about checking out tera,

defiance, tera, and warframe are all completely free, and check out ombies monsters robots
 
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Originally Posted by bonami2 View Post

it a good chip but it bottleneck even at 4.8 in some of my game i have a 7950 though.. The i3 will have less power less fps in somegame but it will work well with everything while the fx will not..

+1 for the 8350 it not worth it i have no problem in bf4 50fps + without mantle maxed out
What games are you talking about bottlenecking though? The main games I've noticed the FX chips really suck in compared to my i7 is "Skyrim, Saints Row 3rd, Boarderlands 2". Now, when I say suck I mean they'll drop to 40 where the i7 holds 60. Still, I find that most games that aren't limited by that desire for a single strong CPU don't have the same results. Sure, the FX cpu might lose more fps, but they'll still both drop fps.

I guess it is what it is. I wasn't happy until I got a i7. Having that i7 has made me realize just how great the FX CPU are... Not that I'd give up my i7, it's just that the FX chip do a lot better then some think.

*I do think the 6300 I have is a great OC'er. I'd of done more with it if it were mine. I got it for my ol'lady though, and decided to keep the OC mellow. My 8320 is a OK oc'er I guess. 24/7 was 44, max 46 when it was cold outside. Maybe with better cooling I could of taken it higher. I run the 8320 stock now since I use it as a back up system. I can't remember off hand the voltage.
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

yeah i really like the action mmos, i hate point and click and spamming hot keys, you got any recommendations for that, is guild wars 2 like that , im thinking about checking out tera,

defiance, tera, and warframe are all completely free, and check out ombies monsters robots
DDO is a good group based action mmo, even if it is long in the tooth.

When i used to play we'd get a lot of wow players that didn't realize you could move around and fight. ^^ I was a very mobile player which is why I liked casters and ranger melee classes.
 
#25 ·
nice , i also wanted to check out black gold online, and wildstar.
but i think ill stick with defiance and warframe for now, theres enough to do in both those games to keep me busy for awhile. I think defiance is a tv show as well, and so every time theres an episode, they add more storylien to the game, scyfy made defiance i believe, or they helped
 
#26 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

yeah i really like the action mmos, i hate point and click and spamming hot keys, you got any recommendations for that, is guild wars 2 like that , im thinking about checking out tera,

defiance, tera, and warframe are all completely free, and check out ombies monsters robots
Rift

Probably aion not tried since a long time

Wow for sure

Far cry 3 cpu load was low about 35%

Beam NG

Rigs of rods (dual threaded)

Skyrim with some mod and other like enb im gpu bottlenecked but im mostly cpu ( 25% ) usage that low

And for the i7 vs fx 6300 you cant compare the I7 is with hyperthreading that inflate benchmark score the i5 perform the same in game without ht and score lower...

etc there alot of game

And for the mmo that is not click and 12345 spell You can look at Elder Scroll Online
 
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