There has been a back-and-forth battle in recent weeks about what is causing the internet congestion that is degrading service to Netflix consumers. Last week Verizon published a blog post that offered the first real specifics in the debate, saying that it had studied the situation closely based on a customer in Los Angeles and found that there was plenty of capacity available at different points where Netflix could deliver traffic to its network. The congestion, Verizon said, was being caused by Netflix, which had made the decision to send all its data over a limited set of very crowded routes. Today, Level 3 - which helps carry that Netflix traffic to Verizon's network in LA - fired back in a blog post of its own. It says the problem could be solved in five minutes and for a very small cost, but that Verizon is refusing to make these upgrades, because it wants to extract a fee from Level 3 instead.
We could fix this congestion in about five minutes simply by connecting up more 10Gbps ports on those routers," wrote Level 3's Mark Taylor. "[It's something] we've been asking Verizon to do for many, many months, and something other providers regularly do in similar circumstances. But Verizon has refused ... Maybe they can't afford a new port card because they've run out - even though these cards are very cheap, just a few thousand dollars for each 10Gbps card which could support 5,000 streams or more. If that's the case, we'll buy one for them. Maybe they can't afford the small piece of cable between our two ports. If that's the case, we'll provide it. Heck, we'll even install it."
wouldn't it be great if you could just use cogent or level 3 or up here in canada the toronto internet exchange or whatever hub as connection to the internet and bypass the greedy isps.
"We can't afford to do any upgrades" *Continues to charge $50 to a few million customers*
Not sure what the exact amount of customers they have, but I'm referring to my own ISP (which I also don't know how many they have). I'm tired of businesses in the US. Just in general. I'm gonna stop before an infraction via politics.
wouldn't it be great if you could just use cogent or level 3 or up here in canada the toronto internet exchange or whatever hub as connection to the internet and bypass the greedy isps.
What a spit in the face. You work hard for everything (most of us), just want the internet for fun, pay out the ass for a connection, and they slow you down on purpose. I think Id rather not have the internet than pay for their crap. Verizon users should dump them. Cell phones too. Cut them off, they'll fix it...
We recently just dropped our Peer with Cogent, they would always take the slowest most asinine routes when it would get routed through them, I would recommend Zayo or GTT over Cogent any day of the week.
I can't remember where I saw it, but there was an article talking about what would happen if instead of Netflix getting forced to pay an extra fee to ISPs, Netflix started demanding a fee from ISPs in order for Netflix to provide its content.
"Hey consumer, do you want to use this broadband, or the one that doesn't get Netflix?" I wonder how that would go.
What a spit in the face. You work hard for everything (most of us), just want the internet for fun, pay out the ass for a connection, and they slow you down on purpose. I think Id rather not have the internet than pay for their crap. Verizon users should dump them. Cell phones too. Cut them off, they'll fix it...
If not Verizon then who would you go with? Comcast? I switch from Comcast to Fios and it's immensely better, I don't however use Netflix. There aren't a whole heck of a lot of good ISPs to choose from unless you live somewhere google fiber is available.
I can't remember where I saw it, but there was an article talking about what would happen if instead of Netflix getting forced to pay an extra fee to ISPs, Netflix started demanding a fee from ISPs in order for Netflix to provide its content.
"Hey consumer, do you want to use this broadband, or the one that doesn't get Netflix?" I wonder how that would go.
There aren't enough ISP choices in most areas to do this. Netflix would alienate alot of their customer base in the process, and other streaming services would just jump in and provide the same thing.
The problem is that ISPs don't have to worry about competition, Netflix does.
There aren't enough ISP choices in most areas to do this. Netflix would alienate alot of their customer base in the process, and other streaming services would just jump in and provide the same thing.
The problem is that ISPs don't have to worry about competition, Netflix does.
Too damn greedy. The main reason I use Verizon for cell phone is because all of the other choices are terrible in my area. Also, no other network seems to get decent coverage in Vegas...
We recently just dropped our Peer with Cogent, they would always take the slowest most asinine routes when it would get routed through them, I would recommend Zayo or GTT over Cogent any day of the week.
Same here. We had Cogent as a backup ISP to our primary. 100mbps line and every time our WAN switch had to reboot for firmware update, etc (this happened about every 60 days or so at 3am, manually initiated), Cogent would be down for us.
All they had to do was bounce a specific port on a specific switch in a specific facility across town. We even knew the port number and model of their switch. But every single time, we were four hours slogging our way through their stupid automated phone system to report the problem.
Seriously guys. This is all it took.
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I think at this point Netflix is too big for anyone to get in on their biz, especially with the cost of entry.
They increased prices and saw more people signing up than before so...
Not even kind of. Netflix has had to pay Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon so that they won't throttle their content. Horray for the downfall of net neutrality. /s
As an ISP I have seen this sort of thing ALL the time in this country! Hell our local TelCo wanted to charge $5,000 to run a cable 20", yes, TWENTY INCHES, across a rack in order to utilize their Fiber.
For those that are technically inclined.....
The Fiber was fully terminated and the ports were sitting unused, cards were installed already, it was literally a 20" fiber cable (cost about $10) that just needed to be plugged in, and then the ports provisioned. Including the pay for the techs to provision, actual cost to do this was under $100 - assuming the tech took an entire hour to do his work. This was not a new build out by any stretch!
Obviously we laughed in their faces and went another route, but it still sticks out in my mind. Maybe because it wasn't the first time I have ever seen it happen, providers try and nickle and dime everyone and everything. Yet on the flip side there are smaller guys like myself that charge our actual cost for hardware and try and make money on the continued service and business networking that gets done. I scratch your back you scratch mine....
In reality Verizon could fix the issue in zero time flat, and I can almost guarantee that they have a person (probably an entire team) on call for that specific data center who could run in and do it. Hell, one of my vendors can get me a card from New Jersey to Oregon in about 30 hours!
Level 3 ftw! I'm loving the response. If you can't afford it we'll buy it for you and if you don't have it I'll provide and install it! Haha so much full of win!
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But Verizon has refused ... Maybe they can't afford a new port card because they've run out - even though these cards are very cheap, just a few thousand dollars for each 10Gbps card which could support 5,000 streams or more. If that's the case, we'll buy one for them. Maybe they can't afford the small piece of cable between our two ports. If that's the case, we'll provide it. Heck, we'll even install it."
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