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Logitech G402 Hyperion Fury Gaming Mouse review - by Ino

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REVIEW OF LOGITECH G402 HYPERION FURY

I will be reviewing the new G402 by Logitech, the official successor of the G400s.

http://imgur.com/BT1yJwW

I'd like to give one information straight away: I have been involved in the development process of this mouse by working with Logitech under NDA helping to test Hyperion Fury. That's also why I already have a sample to review. I will go into more detail when discussing the sensor performance and Fusion Engine.
I want to note though that it was made very clear to me that Logitech does not want to have any editorial rights to any of my reviews because they want me to be as objective as possible.

Boxing

The box is very similar to the G502 box, but you can't open the front panel. It's a rather small box.

What's included:
- Logitech G402
- Warranty
- Manual

Box:

http://imgur.com/f4pIugc

http://imgur.com/EdGbL3z

http://imgur.com/WidlwCE

Weight & Shape

While the mouse doesn't look like a G400 at first glance it actually feels quite similar in my hand. The right side lip is also still there, albeit a bit different this time. Some people stated it looks like a R.A.T. mouse, but I can assure you it doesn't feel like one. It's a closed body, I can't even feel the shiny lines part on the upper shell when using the mouse.

Weight: 103 g (without cable)
Height: 41 mm
Width: 72 mm
Estimated width at grip position: 63 mm
Length: 136 mm
Number of buttons: 8

http://imgur.com/88sreGm

http://imgur.com/PTJjYMh

http://imgur.com/L4foevD

http://imgur.com/ukh6k7B

http://imgur.com/9QhA0ac

http://imgur.com/8b1Iyig

A comparison with other mice, left to right: Logitech G100s, G502, G402, G400, FK1
http://imgur.com/tpyIfMt

Now some pictures how I hold the mouse (I'd describe it as a hybrid of claw-palm)

http://imgur.com/5jfJu2G

http://imgur.com/aGQXxQD

And a look at the position of the sniper button. Hard to see, but for me it is in the perfect spot, it would be easy to actuate if I wanted to. However I never use more than one side button for gaming anyway and have even less need for a sniper button, so I never used it. It didn't bother me at all though, it's not in the way of my grip in any way.

http://imgur.com/AMJZsPv

For comparison: My hand is around 19.5 cm from the tip of my middle finger to the base.

To me the shape is nice, but it bears the same problems I had with the G400 (right side lip). There is more space for the pinky now though, so if you use a more relaxed palm grip and/or three fingers on top it would be less of an issue than with the G400.

Of course shape is completely individual preference, so everyone has to try for himself in the end. The perfect shape for me might be horrible for others. So please keep the pictures of my grip in mind for comparison.

Sensor / Performance

Now things get interesting (at least for me) because Logitech once again did something innovative with the new G402. They used a accelerometer/gyrometer to pick up movement when the sensor fails at higher speeds. The sensor used in the G402 is the same used in the G100s (AM010) which always felt very nice to me but unfortunately would lose tracking at about 2.7 m/s. This would be enough for most people, but at my low sens I regularly reach speeds above 3.5 m/s.
Being a sceptical person I would not trust this method if I heard of it before using such a mouse (I had/have no idea how accurate those accelerometers are really) but luckily when I first tested the mouse I didn't feel a difference at all. If I weren't told the accelerometer picks up when the sensor fails I would have never realised it. So in short: it works, and it works really really well.

You can see the point when the Fusion Engine (Logitech's name for the accelerometer technology) takes over in my MouseTester screens if you look closely at just below the 3 m/s marks. The counts divert a bit before that point, after that it's one straight line. Logitech will probably release more information about Fusion Engine in the future, so stay tuned for that.

Now normally I would list malfunction speeds etc, but fact is: it does not malfunction at all. There is a neat little feature in the new LGS where you can try to reach max speeds with the Fusion Engine, I maxed out at 6.5 m/s. For more speeds I would need a bigger mousepad I guess, but it's not like anyone every would need that. I know that someone with a deskpad reached above 9 m/s though.

The sensor is adjustable in steps of 80 CPI from 240 to 4000 CPI, I did only test 400, 800, 1600 and 4000 CPI though. (Standard out of the box is: 400, 800, 1600, 3200)

http://imgur.com/GLtfE4D

ALL TESTS ARE PERFORMED ON THE QPAD UC 50!

The real dpi for each setting can be seen in the mouse tester print. As always I also measured the real CPI values and to no surprise Logitech delivered an accurate result as usual with them.

400 cpi, 1000 Hz
http://imgur.com/3BSNK9m

800 cpi, 1000 Hz
http://imgur.com/y2St2kL

1600 cpi, 1000 Hz
http://imgur.com/yWMeJGk

4000 cpi, 1000 Hz
http://imgur.com/JdamjjA

400 cpi, 500 Hz
http://imgur.com/Paj9qod

800 cpi, 500 Hz
http://imgur.com/GmTl91S

1600 cpi, 500 Hz
http://imgur.com/FUuFDBw

4000 cpi, 500 Hz
http://imgur.com/xm40boV

CPI steps
http://imgur.com/wEryMQZ

As you can see there is little to no jitter at 400, 800 and 1600 CPI. 4000 CPI has a lot of it though.

Acceleration Test

There is accel, but at least it is consistent. Not a big deal imo.


EDIT: as this seems to confuse a lot of people, here is another accel test where I still go fast to the right but not as slow back. So the minor inaccuracy seems to have been while moving very slow

This looks perfectly fine to me. Here is the MouseTester screen for the first fast swipe to the right too.
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Lift Off Distance

Between 1 and 2 CD on black cloth, being closer to 1 CD. It's generally very low.

Buttons / Switches / Scroll Wheel

The G402 shares the button design with the G502, so they also feel very nice. The buttons being seperated from the shell really makes for a very nice click feel. The switches are Omrons for LMB and RMB, all other buttons are TTC switches, at least on my version. This might be an earlier model, so this is not 100% confirmed.

http://imgur.com/XJKPztC

The scroll wheel is really great to me, nothing like the big clunky thing on the G502. It is light and crisp.

Build Quality

What you expect from Logitech, very high quality, nothing flimsy. The cable is non-braided (huge plus for me) and a bit too stiff for my taste. If you take a look at the inside of the mouse you can see that everyhing is very well put together, no cheap connections there. Kudos to Logitech for producing quality there.

Conclusion

I like the G402, and for everyone who liked the G400 shape it is definitely a very good option. I'm also impressed at how good the Fusion Engine works. Come to think about it this technology could make older tech more usefull again, like the MLT04 with its only negative being a much too low PCS. I don't know why Logitech went this way and did not chose the 3366 in this mouse too, but even if it is an experiment: it worked. To me there is no downside to the G402's performance with that of the G502. Maybe "cursor-feeling-enthusiasts" have different opinions there, we'll see once more people got their hands on the G402.
 
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Well it is cheaper and significantly lighter than the G502, so better suited for FPS players. The worse sensor part is only relative to the 3366 though, because other than the relatively low PCS the AM010 is fine.

I don't know more about the decision making at Logitech though, so I can't comment how or why they decided to go that way.
 
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There's something cut off at the very end of your post (in the "Conclusion" section).
Fixed, thanks. Don't know what caused that.
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There is a reason why Skylit hasn't been on here. Apparently, Ino doesn't get treated the same / follows the rules. Also the same reason why I haven't been on here for a long time.
Answered in PM.
 
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While I personally have no interest in this mouse (mainly because I can't see how it is an upgrade to a G400), I must say the technology is interesting. At high speeds, nobody is honestly looking for accurate tracking in terms of reading the hand movements. Simply because those hand movements themselves are not intended/possible to control physically at fast motion to start with. So the idea of using a component that creates digitally perfected representations of those movements (if that's how the accelerometer works) is intriguing. And it apparently stays mostly accurate as far as motion speed is concerned (slight acceleration). Would be interesting to know to what extend older sensors are compatible with the technology, if at all. First we have to wait for more detailed explanation of how it exactly works of course.

That said, I'm not a fan of premature reviews. Could be all sorts of issues with it. This is marketing more than it helps people make an educated purchase.
 
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Acceleration Test

There is accel, but at least it is consistent. Not a big deal imo.
Hum.. did you talk with Logitech about this? is there really consistent accel on it or is it just your sample?

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There is a reason why Skylit hasn't been on here. Apparently, Ino doesn't get treated the same / follows the rules. Also the same reason why I haven't been on here for a long time.
Not knowing what happened i just see your post as flame, not contributing to anything..
 
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I had hoped you would be more critical of the existence of the gyroscope. Sure it would make sense with the MLT04 but that sensor was EOL years ago. The 3310 doesn't need it and neither does the 3366 so you should be using either of those without this gimmick.
 
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Not knowing what happened i just see your post as flame, not contributing to anything..
Why do you comment toward me negatively when you do not know the going ons within this forum?

I was just warning of the issues that will occur very soon... So don't be shocked. As they say, "another one bites the dust."
 
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That said, I'm not a fan of premature reviews. Could be all sorts of issues with it. This is marketing more than it helps people make an educated purchase.
I've used the mouse over a period of more than one month...

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Hum.. did you talk with Logitech about this? is there really consistent accel on it or is it just your sample?
Yes, and it is within tolerance. It's less pronounced on slower swipes, I'm going like 4.5-5 m/s in that video.
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Is the right side similar to the G502? Can you have both fingers under it? Could you take a pic of how you hold it on the right side? Thanks.
It's possible. Will take a pic soon.
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I had hoped you would be more critical of the existence of the gyroscope. Sure it would make sense with the MLT04 but that sensor was EOL years ago. The 3310 doesn't need it and neither does the 3366 so you should be using either of those without this gimmick.
I'm not critical because it works damn well. Why should I condemn a new solution that works this well. Like I said, I didn't feel a difference when I didn't know that it had the accelerometer thing.

I don't see how this could possibly be viewed as something negative. If it had lots of issues or would fail miserably maybe, but it just works.
 
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I'm not critical because it works damn well. Why should I condemn a new solution that works this well. Like I said, I didn't feel a difference when I didn't know that it had the accelerometer thing.

I don't see how this could possibly be viewed as something negative. If it had lots of issues or would fail miserably maybe, but it just works.
Because it's not needed at all if Logitech used a different and very much available sensor. The fact that the combination is working well is impressive but if there is no need then why bother? How impressive can something really be when it's unneeded?
 
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Because it's not needed at all if Logitech used a different and very much available sensor. The fact that the combination is working well is impressive but if there is no need then why bother? How impressive can something really be when it's unneeded?
Totally price and availability issues.

The 3366 is such a hi end sensor they won't use it for this group of people.
 
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Because it's not needed at all if Logitech used a different and very much available sensor. The fact that the combination is working well is impressive but if there is no need then why bother? How impressive can something really be when it's unneeded?
maybe its cheaper, so if it works well, why criticize it. We have no idea why logitech chose it over the 3366. If they both work very well, no need to criticize.
 
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Totally price and availability issues.

The 3366 is such a hi end sensor they won't use it for this group of people.
And the 3310? It's in many mice from the competition at this price point. And it doesn't need a gyro in order to track above 2.5 m/s.
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maybe its cheaper, so if it works well, why criticize it. We have no idea why logitech chose it over the 3366. If they both work very well, no need to criticize.
They purposely gimped themselves tracking speed wise in order to develop a sophisticated bandaid. How about you don't gimp yourself in the first place?
 
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Because it's not needed at all if Logitech used a different and very much available sensor. The fact that the combination is working well is impressive but if there is no need then why bother? How impressive can something really be when it's unneeded?
Maybe I'm looking at this from a different perspective, but as an engineer I always favor progress over stagnation. And every new principle solution to a task is worth evaluating to me. Sure it would not be "needed" but it can be done and now proves to be just as reliable. What if this solution is cheaper in the long run? Good for the company. It also sets Logitech apart from the competition. Brands them as innovators. Etc.
Like I said, I don't know the business decision behind it, but I just admire innovation. Necessary or not
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So, It's work the 60 USD for change a TT Saphira right?
 
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I've used the mouse over a period of more than one month...
Well, that's even worse, isn't it? Logitech may allow you to be as objective as possible, but it's not like you are going to seriously criticize anything about a product you in some way or form helped develop. For various reasons. And you didn't. And trying to judge the technology itself still is premature. I mean, there is no word about how it actually works, so we don't even have implications of what it could do to tracking.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't think it's such a big deal. You stated you were affiliated with the product, so people that read your review can take your stuff with a grain of salt or not.
 
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Well, that's even worse, isn't it? Logitech may allow you to be as objective as possible, but it's not like you are going to seriously criticize anything about a product you in some way or form helped develop. For various reasons. And you didn't. And trying to judge the technology itself still is premature. I mean, there is no word about how it actually works, so we don't even have implications of what it could do to tracking.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't think it's such a big deal. You stated you were affiliated with the product, so people that read your review can take your stuff with a grain of salt or not.
Well, of course we don't know details, what I meant is that it just worked in the time I used it. That's all. What more can a cursor do than move where you want it to?
I only state my observations of course, details can only come from Logitech.
 
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Maybe I'm looking at this from a different perspective, but as an engineer I always favor progress over stagnation. And every new principle solution to a task is worth evaluating to me. Sure it would not be "needed" but it can be done and now proves to be just as reliable. What if this solution is cheaper in the long run? Good for the company. It also sets Logitech apart from the competition. Brands them as innovators. Etc.
Like I said, I don't know the business decision behind it, but I just admire innovation. Necessary or not
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Innovation without progress or improvement is a waste of time and is ultimately a negative in my opinion. A good example of this is AMD and it's bulldozer release.

I also don't see how Logitech saving money by developing a trick to use sub par sensors in their mice while selling them for the same price is any good for consumers. Sure it's good for Logitech, but I don't work for Logitech.
 
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