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As the title says, I just picked up one of these:


And am looking to populate it. I have some equipment already:

Rackmount components:
  • 1U 12 outlet PDU
  • Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Pro
  • 48 (24 in/24 out)port Cat 6 rackmount surge protection unit
  • 24 port 10/100/1000 rackmount switch (no POE)
  • Dell 15FP rackmount console


Non-Rackmount equipment going on a shelf:
  • Arris Modem
  • U-NAS NSC-800 server
  • 2-bay NAS for OS backups
  • Raspberry Pi
  • 1750VA UPS


Stuff I don't have yet but want (rackmount):



Any ideas/suggestions for other equipment I should be looking at? This is my first actual rack to utilize, mostly going to be for home server stuff and a very robust home network (the edgerouter is getting connected to 3-4 satellite WiFi routers for better coverage)

What sort of wire management tactics do you suggest?
What equipment should be front mounted?
Rear?
Soundproofing for the cabinet walls/roof or no?
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post #2 of 9
Does anyone know if there is a rack mount solution for multiple Intel NUCs? It would make a great way to set up a small scale openStack test environment I think... any alternatives recommendations? I am definitely looking to place whatever I use to set up an openStack environment in my rack. I see the OP linked to "potential" rack mounted NUCs but couldn't find anything else via Google outside of the original image the OP linked.

Thanks!
post #3 of 9
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Does anyone know if there is a rack mount solution for multiple Intel NUCs? It would make a great way to set up a small scale openStack test environment I think... any alternatives recommendations? I am definitely looking to place whatever I use to set up an openStack environment in my rack. I see the OP linked to "potential" rack mounted NUCs but couldn't find anything else via Google outside of the original image the OP linked.

Thanks!

This is what the OP linked:
http://blog.g2digital.co.uk/in-development-intel-nuc-1u-rack-mount-pc/

Interesting idea, but I think you pay a nice premium for the compactness of that PC. Sure it would work good for any testing/lab setup, I would probably opt to buy some Dell C1100's, Dell R610's, or HP DL360's with Xeon L5520 CPU's instead. You can basically get a server with dual Xeon L5520's, 24GB RAM, IPMI/iLO/iDRAC, and redundant PSU's for about $350-400 (used), shipped from eBay.
post #4 of 9
How loud will they be though? My problem is I don't have a dedicated server room, just a server in my home office. At the moment, I have a Norco 4224 with Noctua fans in it, keeping it cool but with minimal noise, I don't think I can handle 1U servers... what would your recommendation be?

Thanks!
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How loud will they be though? My problem is I don't have a dedicated server room, just a server in my home office. At the moment, I have a Norco 4224 with Noctua fans in it, keeping it cool but with minimal noise, I don't think I can handle 1U servers... what would your recommendation be?

Thanks!

I have 2 Dell R610s along with a storage server (Norco RPC-4224 chassis, with 12 drives, and faster than stock fans) in my home office. The R610's are actually quieter than my RPC-4224 server.

I have a fish tank in my home office as well, and the water trickling from the filter into the tank is the loudest thing in there, seriously. R610's aren't that loud at all. Here is a video I took of a C1100, when I still used those (these are louder than the R610s):

(excuse all the talking...I actually turn it on around 1:45)
My RPC-4224 is just below that C1100 (with only 4 drives at that time), and is the drone sound you hear before I startup the C1100. I'll try to get a video made of one of my R610's this week sometime.
post #6 of 9
I concur with buying rack mount servers off eBay. In America there are some really interesting deals.

I don't know if you wanted specific hardware recommendations but for a switch maybe something like a Dell 5348/5448 or maybe even a Quanta LB4M.

The NUC I would give a miss, if you wanted something comparable there is Intel Avoton or Rangeley, Silvermont atoms only share a name with the FSB atoms, they're entirely different. The real difference between Avoton and Rangeley are Intel describe Rangeley as a communications platform/basic communications infrastructure, both platforms have quad intel i354 nics though.

I don't think you need a NUC or an Atom, once factoring power usage such as @tycoonbob did with Atoms, he found it more cost effective to buy a Dell R610, I believe it will be a same situation here with the NUCs.

The main problem with the NUCs would be the lack of BMC. Having something such as iDRAC, iLO, IPMI or AMI/ATEN BMC would be exceptionally convenient. I really like the convenience to install new hypervisors and restart hosts remotely.

Pro tip: while Supermicro Product numbers are usually a mess look for '-F' this signifies that it has an IPMI. Only Supermicro do this others vendors don't put them in the product name.

Are you going to use a hypervisor such as vsphere, hyperv, proxmox, openstack et al? Oh and I notice you chose unraid I don't know if this is because you are already using it but there is always ZFS, just mentioning other options and while I'm at it there is Storage spaces.

@finish06: I have a Supermicro dual node 2U server, similar to the Dell C6100 but with of cause half the number of nodes. I found that quite easy to quieten down, EG set fan management (or control) to Energy Saver, replace fans with standard 4 pin fans my only complaint with this is the IPMI will obliterate its logs with low speed warnings. Interestingly enough I used 3 pin fans briefly and I didn't hear a peep from the IPMI SEL. Once you've managed that quietening down the PSU would be the next thing to do and thats the hard part. For reference it is a Supermicro X8DTT-F.
post #7 of 9
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I concur with buying rack mount servers off eBay. In America there are some really interesting deals.

I don't know if you wanted specific hardware recommendations but for a switch maybe something like a Dell 5348/5448 or maybe even a Quanta LB4M.

The NUC I would give a miss, if you wanted something comparable there is Intel Avoton or Rangeley, Silvermont atoms only share a name with the FSB atoms, they're entirely different. The real difference between Avoton and Rangeley are Intel describe Rangeley as a communications platform/basic communications infrastructure, both platforms have quad intel i354 nics though.

I don't think you need a NUC or an Atom, once factoring power usage such as @tycoonbob did with Atoms, he found it more cost effective to buy a Dell R610, I believe it will be a same situation here with the NUCs.

The main problem with the NUCs would be the lack of BMC. Having something such as iDRAC, iLO, IPMI or AMI/ATEN BMC would be exceptionally convenient. I really like the convenience to install new hypervisors and restart hosts remotely.

I love my Dell PowerConnect 2824. Got it brand new in box on eBay for $85, shipped. I got a heck of a deal on it.

The Avoton's really excite me, but with their current prices it just doesn't make sense.
Here is a spreadsheet I wrote up comparing the various Avotons and the best prices I could find:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1503333/exploring-the-idea-of-openstack-at-home/10#post_22719894

And here is the cost breakdown showing why I decided to keep my R610 and get another, instead of moving to the Avoton platform (very specific cost numbers; in short, I would have to keep the Avoton server and run it for over 5 years before I made my money back for paying more for them -- if these can be had for under $200 a couple years from now, maybe it will be worth it):
http://www.overclock.net/t/1503333/exploring-the-idea-of-openstack-at-home/10#post_22721675

Vpex is deadon with the BMC. You may not really understand it without having used it before, but once you use it, you won't want to live without it. smile.gif
post #8 of 9
That is a very valid point about BMC (baseboard management controller? - e.g. IPMI?) ... NUC's would not have this and it would be very much a disappointment. Thank you for the insight. You straightened my path. smile.gif I just just thinking about minimal space commitment with 3 computers & only running me about $1600 (estimate). I will probably end up building a 2U server so I can put quieter 80mm fans inside it, or do either of you have a recommended 2U used computer to purchase from eBay?

Thanks!
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by finish06 View Post

That is a very valid point about BMC (baseboard management controller? - e.g. IPMI?) ... NUC's would not have this and it would be very much a disappointment. Thank you for the insight. You straightened my path. smile.gif I just just thinking about minimal space commitment with 3 computers & only running me about $1600 (estimate). I will probably end up building a 2U server so I can put quieter 80mm fans inside it, or do either of you have a recommended 2U used computer to purchase from eBay?

Thanks!

Of course. wink.gif

Dell Poweredge C6100. It's a 2U server with 4 separate nodes (i.e., computers), each with dual CPUs (like the same Xeon L5520s) and up to 96GB RAM. You should be able to find one on ebay with 8 L5520s and 96GB RAM total (24GB RAM per node) for around $1300.
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