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hi,
i am using low quality UPS about 350w its not able to tolerate Gaming while no electricity, currrent psu only works on IDLE (0% load or internet)
i just dont want to crash my PC power while gaming thats so annoying and common in india..( small miss in electricity even crash my pc)
i am using nvidia gtx 760 2gb GPU, CPU i5 2310 , 8gb ram, PSU corsair vs650 ,
can any one suggest me better UPS which atleast handle gaming and let me to shutdown after closing game...
please suggest me, thanks.
post #2 of 26
Now given the fact that your PSU is a 650w unit.

Now eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite states that your rig should draw 401w at the most.

Things you need to look into are :-


1) Power factor of your UPS of interest. For example one that is rated 650va and 390w has a power factor of 390 / 650 = 0.61
The higher the power factor the better the UPS. Most UPS out there are rated by their VA not so much the W which means a tonne when it
comes to the right UPS for your rig.

2) How long you plan on having your PC draw such a high wattage (400w) from the UPS. Given that your UPS is instantly shutting off, this means your system is drawing more than it can handle and to it, it sees it a short circuit and shuts off immediately.


3) Pure sine wave vs modified sine wave UPS. Now the pure sine wave is the best and also the most expensive vs the modified. PC applications do not need pure sine wave since the wave has to undergo rectification into a DC meaning the modified sive wave UPS will be good enough for your PC.

To help you even further, I have given you an option below which would be quite good for your PC given that you are on a budget and don't have much money to spend on a UPS:-

https://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA1000I&tab=models

It has an impressive power factor of 0.67 which greatly impacts on your power bills and especially the longevity of your backup batteries. It has a backup runtime of 14-15min at power draw 400w allowing you to game just that long before it shuts off. If you feel money is no object and want to run more than an hour at 400w (gaming power) check this out:-

https://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA2200&total_watts=50

It has an utterly impressive power factor of 0.9 drool.gif meaning batteries even get to last much much longer due to high efficiency both at online and offline mode.


Alternatively you can be like me (Industrial electronics backgrounded). I took a Russian UPS studied its behavior for 3 years, understood its operating parameters and currently have it run for upto 8 hrs a day up from a bare maximum of 10min on my system. The unit has a very poor power factor of 0.5 as it is a 600va, 300w unit but soon to be replaced with one of the mentioned above and add some compensation circuitry to avoid working outside its normal parameters in order to sustain an 8 hr non stop run. To modify an existing UPS, I must understand it inside out by how it is wired then I can pull any stunt I want with it.
post #3 of 26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TLM-610 View Post

Now given the fact that your PSU is a 650w unit.

Now eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite states that your rig should draw 401w at the most.

Things you need to look into are :-


1) Power factor of your UPS of interest. For example one that is rated 650va and 390w has a power factor of 390 / 650 = 0.61
The higher the power factor the better the UPS. Most UPS out there are rated by their VA not so much the W which means a tonne when it
comes to the right UPS for your rig.

2) How long you plan on having your PC draw such a high wattage (400w) from the UPS. Given that your UPS is instantly shutting off, this means your system is drawing more than it can handle and to it, it sees it a short circuit and shuts off immediately.


3) Pure sine wave vs modified sine wave UPS. Now the pure sine wave is the best and also the most expensive vs the modified. PC applications do not need pure sine wave since the wave has to undergo rectification into a DC meaning the modified sive wave UPS will be good enough for your PC.

To help you even further, I have given you an option below which would be quite good for your PC given that you are on a budget and don't have much money to spend on a UPS:-

https://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA1000I&tab=models

It has an impressive power factor of 0.67 which greatly impacts on your power bills and especially the longevity of your backup batteries. It has a backup runtime of 14-15min at power draw 400w allowing you to game just that long before it shuts off. If you feel money is no object and want to run more than an hour at 400w (gaming power) check this out:-

https://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA2200&total_watts=50

It has an utterly impressive power factor of 0.9 drool.gif meaning batteries even get to last much much longer due to high efficiency both at online and offline mode.


Alternatively you can be like me (Industrial electronics backgrounded). I took a Russian UPS studied its behavior for 3 years, understood its operating parameters and currently have it run for upto 8 hrs a day up from a bare maximum of 10min on my system. The unit has a very poor power factor of 0.5 as it is a 600va, 300w unit but soon to be replaced with one of the mentioned above and add some compensation circuitry to avoid working outside its normal parameters in order to sustain an 8 hr non stop run. To modify an existing UPS, I must understand it inside out by how it is wired then I can pull any stunt I want with it.

First of all thanks for Such a Great Reply,
these are two costly at my location, i mean Costly than a new pc frown.gif
i had searched some other UPS, is that good?
http://www.amazon.in/APC-Back-UPS-RS-1100VA-230V/dp/B00D06LZGE/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1407046985&sr=8-13&keywords=ups
or
http://www.ebay.in/itm/APC-UPS-BR1000G-IN-1-KVA-1000VA-Builtin-Battery-2-Years-Onsite-Warranty-/151344720745?pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item233cd92b69

or this one is india trusted company in inverters and ups
http://www.amazon.in/Microtek-1000VA-UPS/dp/B009CVTXMO


Thanks in advance, please tell me sure, because i just dont want sudden crash due to just spark in my area power or miss for small second frown.gif
currently i am using V gaurd Sesto 600va which is totally BAD..
Edited by Mandeep Singh - 8/3/14 at 11:36pm
post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mandeep Singh View Post

First of all thanks for Such a Great Reply,
these are two costly at my location, i mean Costly than a new pc frown.gif
i had searched some other UPS, is that good?
http://www.amazon.in/APC-Back-UPS-RS-1100VA-230V/dp/B00D06LZGE/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1407046985&sr=8-13&keywords=ups
or
http://www.ebay.in/itm/APC-UPS-BR1000G-IN-1-KVA-1000VA-Builtin-Battery-2-Years-Onsite-Warranty-/151344720745?pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item233cd92b69

or this one is india trusted company in inverters and ups
http://www.amazon.in/Microtek-1000VA-UPS/dp/B009CVTXMO


Thanks in advance, please tell me sure, because i just dont want sudden crash due to just spark in my area power or miss for small second frown.gif
currently i am using V gaurd Sesto 600va which is totally BAD..


First of all before I mislead you into buying the wrong thing is your mains power 220v or 110v?

If it is 220v go with http://www.ebay.in/itm/APC-UPS-BR1000G-IN-1-KVA-1000VA-Builtin-Battery-2-Years-Onsite-Warranty-/151344720745?pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item233cd92b69 it will give you the longest backup time for your UPS compared to your other options. It has an internal efficiency of 80% which is very good for a UPS. Its drawback is battery recharge time, unlike the others I gave above which are 3hrs and have a pure sine wave, this one charges its batteries in about 7hrs and has a approximated sine wave (better than the regular modified sine wave), has the best surge energy rating compared to Microtek-1000VA and APC-Back-UPS-RS-1100VA. Has much more reliable switch over time meaning your PSU will not hiccup or instantly restart your PC on a sudden blackout. You can extend your 400w gaming power draw runtime from 13min to 35min with BR24BPG-IN add on battery to it.

A good thing we moved from CRT screens coz the power calculation would have been crazy due to the manner in which it starts up and the load implication on the UPS. I used to factor in all those details but LCDs and LEDs have made life really easy these days
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Edited by Ultisym - 8/4/14 at 8:17am
   
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post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by TLM-610 View Post

First of all before I mislead you into buying the wrong thing is your mains power 220v or 110v?

If it is 220v go with http://www.ebay.in/itm/APC-UPS-BR1000G-IN-1-KVA-1000VA-Builtin-Battery-2-Years-Onsite-Warranty-/151344720745?pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item233cd92b69 it will give you the longest backup time for your UPS compared to your other options. It has an internal efficiency of 80% which is very good for a UPS. Its drawback is battery recharge time, unlike the others I gave above which are 3hrs and have a pure sine wave, this one charges its batteries in about 7hrs and has a approximated sine wave (better than the regular modified sine wave), has the best surge energy rating compared to Microtek-1000VA and APC-Back-UPS-RS-1100VA. Has much more reliable switch over time meaning your PSU will not hiccup or instantly restart your PC on a sudden blackout. You can extend your 400w gaming power draw runtime from 13min to 35min with BR24BPG-IN add on battery to it.

A good thing we moved from CRT screens coz the power calculation would have been crazy due to the manner in which it starts up and the load implication on the UPS. I used to factor in all those details but LCDs and LEDs have made life really easy these days
Thanks for good info,
actually i want UPS not for BACKUP, i dont care Backup time, i just want time to shutdown, My current UPS is 300w with 600va, and system use in full load about 450+ w, for example, i mostly hate the Stuter in electricity of Even Miss of less than a sec, that crash my WHole system in Gaming ONLY... Apc is good and its too costly,
i have one Generator in my HOUSE to keep it online, but problem is its not as fast as UPS to activate its power,
i just Ordered Numeric 1kva offline UPS, SHopkeeper told if its not good then i can replace with other Model,
i hope you understand what i need Ups for,
my main problem which i want to solve is, Suppose i am Playing game and PC obviously taking more power, its runs fine with Electricity on, but SUppose when Electricity Sparks or Miss of 1 Second or unstable, that will cause problem while gaming Only, otherwise my current UPS works well with idle...
i hope you understand my situation smile.gif
So is 1kva good enough for my System?
edit. yes indian home voltage 220 - 240v
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mandeep Singh View Post

Thanks for good info,
actually i want UPS not for BACKUP, i dont care Backup time, i just want time to shutdown, My current UPS is 300w with 600va, and system use in full load about 450+ w, for example, i mostly hate the Stuter in electricity of Even Miss of less than a sec, that crash my WHole system in Gaming ONLY... Apc is good and its too costly,
i have one Generator in my HOUSE to keep it online, but problem is its not as fast as UPS to activate its power,
i just Ordered Numeric 1kva offline UPS, SHopkeeper told if its not good then i can replace with other Model,
i hope you understand what i need Ups for,
my main problem which i want to solve is, Suppose i am Playing game and PC obviously taking more power, its runs fine with Electricity on, but SUppose when Electricity Sparks or Miss of 1 Second or unstable, that will cause problem while gaming Only, otherwise my current UPS works well with idle...
i hope you understand my situation smile.gif
So is 1kva good enough for my System?
edit. yes indian home voltage 220 - 240v

Yes it should work well, no problem, I have just seen that that numeric has a power factor of 0.6 which translates to 600w. If you can you will actually feel the difference if you invest in APC than those other brands especially because of transfer time dynamics. APC is built to consider most PSUs and how they work.
Edited by TLM-610 - 8/4/14 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by TLM-610 View Post

Yes it should work well, no problem, I have just seen that that numeric has a power factor of 0.6 which translates to 600w. If you can you will actually feel the difference if you invest in APC than those other brands especially because of transfer time dynamics. APC is built to consider most PSUs and how they work.
Thanks for help brother,
one last question if you dont mind smile.gif
is microtek also good in UPS? this is indian company and cheaper than other but i dont know its good for my Issue or not.
post #9 of 26
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Thanks for help brother,
one last question if you dont mind smile.gif
is microtek also good in UPS? this is indian company and cheaper than other but i dont know its good for my Issue or not.

Since I actually don't know, what I would do is get one that I can open up and inspect the components comparing them to what I can read about them online. If their parts are high quality, then you can rest assured you aren't making a mistake but if they are mediocre then we might have a problem. Another alternative is see whether there are forums on that UPS, it will go a long way in fore-warning you of unseen predicaments caused by it, it may take a while but think about your hard earned money before you actually buy it, it will cost you next to nothing to do a little research in comparison to the loss you may incur you choose to buy it blindly. So I hope that helps thumb.gif
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mandeep Singh View Post

hi,
can any one suggest me better UPS plewhich atleast handle gaming and let me to shutdown after closing game...

You want UPS in India, then it should be no other then APC. The link above for APC BackPro model is the best, and I myself using BackupPro1500 for 2 years now without even a slightest problem. Don't cheap out on UPS and I am not sure if I should be saying this but you find Rs. 7K expensive? Well, its quite a small amount when you go for buying an UPS.

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Originally Posted by TLM-610 View Post

invest in APC

Mate, As said above am using the APC model BackPro... I just have a minor annoyance is that the "Power on/off button" is holedup deep inside the body and its really troublesome to turn it on/off which I do everyday once at night, so do u think of anything (Mod) tht I can place on top of the button so tht it is more protruded and easy to press...
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