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Originally Posted by Yetyhunter View Post

The firmware update does not show up.
And it seems I really need it

    Umm...that screenshot is a scan of a Seagate HDD? redface.gif    biggrin.gif
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The firmware update does not show up.
And it seems I really need it


......it says your testing a ST3500410AS
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Ask and you shall receive.

One thing I noted though was that the data-filled 840 sample I had here actually sped up on sequential read passes, meaning it was not as badly affected as the 840 EVO was. The partial recovery reduced the speed gains seen from the firmware update, but they were still apparent. Advanced Performance Optimization capability also helps for extreme cases, or for those who are willing to sacrifice a write to freshen things up.

What you've shown with those three graphs of running a test repeatedly, I saw a similar behavior with my SSD 840 that was tied to the temperature. While testing repeatedly, the drive heated up as seen in its SMART data temperature reading. The drive's performance increased the hotter it got. That's why running a test repeatedly improved the results in my tests.

After waiting for the drive to cool down, the results were again bad. Like, I ran the same test again on the next day, and the result was again bad the first time, then better the second time, etc.
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I had a fan blowing across a high performance (unreleased) U.2 SSD what was sitting on the desk here. The 840 was in the same direct path of air flow. It was basically room temperature the entire time.
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    Umm...that screenshot is a scan of a Seagate HDD? redface.gif    biggrin.gif

Damn didn't see that last night LoL smile.gif) . Anyway is that normal for a normal hard drive ?
I was half a sleep when I posted this .

Still a bit slow.
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[...]

Still a bit slow.

Your motherboard probably has Intel SATA3 ports (two of them), and then some extra SATA3 ports provided by a different controller from for example Marvell or ASMedia. Those other controllers are often terrible compared to Intel or AMD controllers, and if you connected your drive to that extra controller, that could explain your results.
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I checked and it's connected to the intel SATA3 port.
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Damn didn't see that last night LoL smile.gif) . Anyway is that normal for a normal hard drive ?
I was half a sleep when I posted this .

Still a bit slow.

    Yes, the previous picture is normal for an older hard drive.  A newer HDD would start near 200 MB/s and drop off to about 100 MB/s at the end.

    On to the new picture.  Honestly, that graph looks perfectly fine to me, because:
  • You're using HD Tune, which is coded for HDDs and reads with tiny blocks, making I/O latency cause slightly slower speeds during the test.
  • HD Tune also calculates MB incorrectly using Base 2 math instead of the officially standardized, correct and logical Base 10 math, resulting in a 5% penalty on the reported speed.
  • You're probably not using the High Performance power profile for the test, and this allows the CPU to downclock (as it is mostly idle during the test), which causes slower I/O speeds.
  • You don't have a program running in the background maxing out a CPU core to keep the CPU from entering sleep states.

    All combined, these factors could easily shave off 50—150 MB/s off the benchmark.
 
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Ask and you shall receive.

One thing I noted though was that the data-filled 840 sample I had here actually sped up on sequential read passes, meaning it was not as badly affected as the 840 EVO was. The partial recovery reduced the speed gains seen from the firmware update, but they were still apparent. Advanced Performance Optimization capability also helps for extreme cases, or for those who are willing to sacrifice a write to freshen things up.

Thank you very much for the article. Yeah, noticed the improved performance on subsequent reads, too, although I couldn't really tell if it was due to the read itself or because of increasing temps.

Happy to see Samsung releasing a fix for the basic 840. Honestly didn't expect them to. Granted, I had also previously observed the performance deterioration of the 840 wasn't as quick and severe as the 840 EVO. One thing I have to say regarding this, despite the sometimes unbearable speeds, I didn't experience any data loss or corruption on my Samsung SSDs and to me, that is the most important thing (granted, I only compared file checksums).
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I had a fan blowing across a high performance (unreleased) U.2 SSD what was sitting on the desk here. The 840 was in the same direct path of air flow. It was basically room temperature the entire time.

Let me hazard a guess.... It's from Samsung, it runs hot, and does a couple of GB/s Read and write.
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