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No,only z97/z87 can oc,just the g3258 is an exception due to a lack of the microcode that doesnt allow ocing on non z chipset

"ASUS Enables Overclocking on H97, H87, B85 and H81 Series Motherboards. to overclock the latest Intel Pentium Anniversary Edition processor (G3258), 4th-generation Intel Core K Series ('Haswell') and new 4th-generation Intel Core K Series ('Haswell Refresh') processors. "

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-adds-overclocking-for-h97h87b85-and-h81-series-motherboards.html

There's a bios update that enables it. Would this board not be alright to use?
post #132 of 193
Could be but there is a chance that only the pentium is the only that can oc because is a different microcode to all in the market
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hmmm it reads like it should work on asus then, maybe this is intel deciding to stop police-ing board makers about what chipsets get to OC.

No guarantees from my side though!

As for if it's a good board to OC or not, generally you want more/better VRM phases to oc more. but might not be as important as on AMD boards. Also not sure about what intel boards come with beefy VRMs
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I've been wanting to ditch amd in the dust for some time now. Unless they come out with something crazy affordable and powerful I will never buy another amd product again. smile.gif
ya ok bud tongue.gif

http://youtu.be/evXpqpNhu_Y?t=3m5s

Keep dreaming. It is two cores. No Hyper Threading, It is lacking in instruction sets. and its cheap. Translation. Its garbage. You get what you pay for in life.
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Keep dreaming. It is two cores. No Hyper Threading, It is lacking in instruction sets. and its cheap. Translation. Its garbage. You get what you pay for in life.
I would accept your comment if this wasnt the amd forum
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There is a difference. AMD has lower performance per core. That is a given. The extra cores mitigate this to an extant. And they aren't intentionally gimped like the Pentium. I can't pay any price for a device like this "Anniversary Edition" Pentium.
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The extra cores can ONLY "mitigate" the drastically lower IPC/IPS, when the program in question is capable of fully utilizing said cores. This is almost never the case for any consumer workloads, much less gaming...
   
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The extra cores can ONLY "mitigate" the drastically lower IPC/IPS, when the program in question is capable of fully utilizing said cores. This is almost never the case for any consumer workloads, much less gaming...

Program or programs? Then why aren't we still using one and two core cpu's anymore? The 8320 and 6300 etc..... all shine when you have many open programs, multiple web browsers, watching videos, rendering, listening to music, compiling, all concurrently. Which I do on a consistent basis. They are almost impossible to choke. Try doing that with an i3 or Pentium. There is no denying that for most consumer workloads an i5 is a better cpu than an 8350. But you pay for that luxury.
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Program or programs? Then why aren't we still using one and two core cpu's anymore? The 8320 and 6300 etc..... all shine when you have many open programs, multiple web browsers, watching videos, rendering, listening to music, compiling, all concurrently. Which I do on a consistent basis. They are almost impossible to choke. Try doing that with an i3 or Pentium. There is no denying that for most consumer workloads an i5 is a better cpu than an 8350. But you pay for that luxury.

Because if you run 2 apps that take advantage of 4 cores on an 8 core CPU, both can be comfortable. And It's cheaper to add more cores rather than create faster cores, especially for AMD.

But all threads are not created equal, and threads rely on other threads down the chain, and must wait on each other. This may be only happening in nanoseconds, but the system ends up waiting thousands of times a second or more so it adds up over time. Even when your system says 100% usage, it's not actually true. Even for programs that can take advantage of 8 cores, only certain functions might utilize the full amount of cores. On top of that, AMD's module design makes each CPU in a module wait on each other for FPU access, which slows and cripples integer calculation speed. That's basically an idle on top of an idle on top of an idle...and that's not even including overheads.

Why do you think AMD went with the module design for the FX series? The design changes in FX all scream cost saving measures. That's why you have 1 FPU per every 2 cores. That's why the energy usage is through the roof. The first one was a production cost saving measure, the latter is an R&D cost saving measure. Only those cost saving measures aren't passed on to you, they're primarily passed on to AMD share holders.

The issue with the FX design, is it's really not good at any one task that it's supposed to be because of failings in its design.

For example, let's talk about a work load of many lite programs.

Just general stuff like browsers and photoshop open at the same time. Well tell me......are you going to be editing a photo, while watching a movie, while also browsing the web at the same time? For that matter, say you have 40 tabs open.....are you going to be also looking at all of those simultaneously too? The answer is a big fat NO.

See, when we're not using programs, they're just idling in memory not really taking up CPU. So it relies more on memory capacity for being able to run many programs at once, rather than more cores, because you can only interface with your computer so fast. Even when you have all those programs open, you're getting a lot of idle time in there and low CPU usage overall. Even a dual-quad core with 8GB of memory and just a SATA II SSD can basically make everything seamless under that work load scenario.

Now let's talk about heavy programs. Things like Rendering and video encoding and such.

FPU's tasks are crucial for most heavy workloads. like rendering. With only 1FPU+2cores rather than the traditional 1FPU+1core, you lose a lot of performance. Let's say your workload wouldn't even utilize all the FPU's in an 8 core CPU with 8 FPU's. Well guess what,,,,things are still getting done faster since it spend less time waiting on the FPU. In this case, not utilizing all of an FPU is a good thing because things are getting done on a smaller timescale.

As for video encoding, that is actually done a heck of a lot faster on a GPU. Even a 5 year old video card can transcode video faster than any CPU.

People who need to perform these types of heavy tasks, will find better performance elsewhere that will offer many more options.

And any savings over Intel are wiped out entirely by the extra power usage over its lifetime. Not to mention the FX 8x requires a good board, which doesn't really come cheap. Socket 1150, you can get SATA3 for $40. You won't touch a SATA3 AM3+ board for less than ~$80, and the only really decent boards are more in the $100+ range, with a limited number of brands to choose from. And the extra power usage can add at least $20-$40 cost in a PSU requirement too.

4 threaded applications can only ever use 50% of your PC's full power, and less threaded ones can only use even less.

After all is said and done, you might only really be getting a quad core worth of performance on average, out of an 8 core CPU.
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post #140 of 193
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Alright.. Here is my FINAL order (I think) biggrin.gif

Should be here by Tuesday. I'll let you guys know if I have any improvements..

All these parts should work fine together right? Should I bother OC'ing with stock cooler? Will my memory be fine with this mobo for now or is it a major bottleneck?

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