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GTX 760 4GB or R9 280X 3GB

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#1 ·
I'm in the market for a new GPU because likely my 580 wont be able to handle GTA V (anticipating another GTA IV) and the two popular cards in my budget (around 250-300) are the GTX 760 4GB and the R9 280X 3gb.

I am extremely hesitant to get an AMD because my last 6 AMD cards had severe driver issues and was a nightmare to deal with but my budget is really restricting me. Does anyone have any experience with these 2 cards? more specifically with BF3/BF4 Tomb Raider and GTA IV.
 
#2 ·
the 280X is about equal to the 770. the 280 to the 760 but the former is a tad faster when both oc'ed. go with a 770 if you prefer Nvidia.

with a 6300, then a 760 2GB will work. don't get the 4GB.
 
#4 ·
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Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post

the 280X is about equal to the 770. the 280 to the 760 but the former is a tad faster when both oc'ed. go with a 770 if you prefer Nvidia.

with a 6300, then a 760 2GB will work. don't get the 4GB.
I can't afford the 770 thats a 400+ dollar card unless i get a cheap brand (refuse to get anything but EVGA). any reason why you said get a 760 when you said the 280x was faster?
 
#5 ·
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

I can't afford the 770 thats a 400+ dollar card unless i get a cheap brand (refuse to get anything but EVGA). any reason why you said get a 760 when you said the 280x was faster?
285usd-
0% improvement with dx11
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330usd-
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321usd
+23% performance on directx 11
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00HPS4AFG/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all
 
#6 ·
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

I can't afford the 770 thats a 400+ dollar card unless i get a cheap brand (refuse to get anything but EVGA). any reason why you said get a 760 when you said the 280x was faster?
buy the one you are used to. if NVidia has been playing nice, then stick to it. the 6300 with the 760 would be a balance combo. get the 2Gb version.

these are old gpus actually. if you like, you can get used ones for cheap depending on your location. just got a 7950 for $100. I sold my second 7950 last December for $325. I missed it 'cause my 7770 is struggling in some games. that and I have a lonely waterblock in the closet waiting for it.
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yeah 330 for the 2gb 770 i might as well not bother upgrading, skyrim maxes out my friends 4gb 290x at 1080P. Not sure what you mean by 0% improvement. Also im not spending that kind of money on a used graphics card especially considering how delicate they are.

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Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post

buy the one you are used to. if NVidia has been playing nice, then stick to it. the 6300 with the 760 would be a balance combo. get the 2Gb version.

these are old gpus actually. if you like, you can get used ones for cheap depending on your location. just got a 7950 for $100. I sold my second 7950 last December for $325. I missed it 'cause my 7770 is struggling in some games. that and I have a lonely waterblock in the closet waiting for it.
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but the 7950 is barely faster than my 580 that would be a sidegrade.
 
#8 ·
I mean that the 280x has a similar performance to the 770,in the other hand the 290 still has a transferable warranty(well it is serial based) and it is 23-21% better than both cards, in fact it performs simillar to a 780gtx

If you dont mind going with a 290 you would have. Compatibility with freesync,true audio,1gb more vram,2/3x better opencl performance than a 780ti,mantle(an advantaged over current kepler cards) and it is 10 usd less than a 770gtx

Of course it consumes more than a 770gtx since it has better raw performance

Of course if you prefer physx ,and gsync and shadowplay go ahead with a 760/770

PD,alternatives to shadowplay are action and bandicam
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

yeah 330 for the 2gb 770 i might as well not bother upgrading, skyrim maxes out my friends 4gb 290x at 1080P. Not sure what you mean by 0% improvement. Also im not spending that kind of money on a used graphics card especially considering how delicate they are.
but the 7950 is barely faster than my 580 that would be a sidegrade.
says who? Anand?

the 7950 at only 1100 is as fast as a stock 280X. prolly 2 580s.
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

I mean that the 280x has a similar performance to the 770,in the other hand the 290 still has a transferable warranty(well it is serial based) and it is 23-21% better than both cards, in fact it performs simillar to a 780gtx

If you dont mind going with a 290 you would have. Compatibility with freesync,true audio,1gb more vram,2/3x better opencl performance than a 780ti,mantle(an advantaged over current kepler cards) and it is 10 usd less than a 770gtx

Of course it consumes more than a 770gtx since it has better raw performance

Of course if you prefer physx ,and gsync and shadowplay go ahead with a 760/770

PD,alternatives to shadowplay are action and bandicam
Oh okay i get ya now, i can't really afford 330 i still got to pre-order GTA V (really only have 300 to spend on graphics card) I'm not one bit interested in physx if i really really need it i can buy an old gtx 260 and use that for dedicated physx with a driver hack. i did find this though and it fits the bill perfectly but no reviews and i haven't had a diamond card since the radeon 3870 was still popular. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103143. I had to look up those i don't stream or record my internet is too slow for that stuff. I'd still rather buy new even with warranty just for peace of mind.
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says who? Anand?

the 7950 at only 1100 is as fast as a stock 280X. prolly 2 580s.
i looked up a bunch of reviews its maybe 5-10% faster that's not worth it to me plus it's last gen from amd i don't know how well amd supports older cards (excuse my ignorance) The 7950 is more on par with 270x or a 280 the 280x is a bit faster than the 7970 GHz edition.

One more thing do i really need a 750W PSU for the 280X?
 
#11 ·
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

Oh okay i get ya now, i can't really afford 330 i still got to pre-order GTA V (really only have 300 to spend on graphics card) I'm not one bit interested in physx if i really really need it i can buy an old gtx 260 and use that for dedicated physx with a driver hack. i did find this though and it fits the bill perfectly but no reviews and i haven't had a diamond card since the radeon 3870 was still popular. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103143. I had to look up those i don't stream or record my internet is too slow for that stuff. I'd still rather buy new even with warranty just for peace of mind.
i looked up a bunch of reviews its maybe 5-10% faster that's not worth it to me plus it's last gen from amd i don't know how well amd supports older cards (excuse my ignorance) The 7950 is more on par with 270x or a 280 the 280x is a bit faster than the 7970 GHz edition.

One more thing do i really need a 750W PSU for the 280X?
I've owned both. a 7970, 2 7950s, and I have one coming. whatever the 7970 or 770 can max (games), the 7950 can too easy. whatever the 7950 can't . . . those 2 can't either. you can't say the same with the 580.

BTW, you gonna have to oc the 6300 with the 7950. I had to oc my i7 to 4.5GHz. never tried lower but stock - nah.

750w for a 290 is plenty even. a good 550w will work for a 7970. like I said, you can keep the gpu at stock and oc the cpu the highest you can.
 
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Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post

I've both. a 7970, 2 7950s, and I have one coming. whatever the 7970 or 770 can max (games), the 7950 can too easy. whatever the 7950 can't . . . those 2 ca't either. you can't say the same with the 580.
The only game i can't max out is BF4 and if i turn off the AA i can everything else on ultra with 60+ FPS, either way i don't want a 7950 its not worth it to me especially considering most go for around 200 on here and i can get a 280x from newegg for 260.
 
#14 ·
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

a 450w PSU is enough for a isingle r9 280x
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your sure? all the 280x's on newegg says min 750W is that a typo or something then? i thought that was odd considering my 580 pulls more power than a 290X even.
 
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

The only game i can't max out is BF4 and if i turn off the AA i can everything else on ultra with 60+ FPS, either way i don't want a 7950 its not worth it to me especially considering most go for around 200 on here and i can get a 280x from newegg for 260.
if I am in your place . . . I'd get an 8300 chip and a used 7970. you should snag one for cheap. got my 7950 for $100. the 7970 is same as a 280X. no sense of buying last gen gpus new.

I am sure my incoming 7950 can do this easy . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7288276

both my old 7950s did that with no voltage tweaks.
 
#16 ·
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Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post

if I am in your place . . . I'd get an 8300 chip and a used 7970. you should snag one for cheap. got my 7950 for $100. the 7970 is same as a 280X. no sense of buying last gen gpus new.
why an 8300 im not bottlenecking now accept in crysis 1 but again thats crysis 1 lol. Like i said before i don't want a used card too many bad things can happen. especially used from OCN you never know what the last owner did. from what i seen The 280x has a bunch of stuff the 7970 doesn't have i'm not sure where you live but 7970's are nearly 300+ on here even and 90% were mined with.
 
#17 ·
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Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post

if I am in your place . . . I'd get an 8300 chip and a used 7970. you should snag one for cheap. got my 7950 for $100. the 7970 is same as a 280X. no sense of buying last gen gpus new.

I am sure my incoming 7950 can do this easy . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7288276

both my old 7950s did that with no voltage tweaks.
So much this... You should listen to them. Unless you prefer Nvidia, then grab a used 770... They're not as "delicate" as you think, or someone made you think...
 
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Originally Posted by Yungbenny911 View Post

So much this... You should listen to them. Unless you prefer Nvidia, then grab a used 770... They're not as "delicate" as you think, or someone made you think...
Ha. last 3 cards i bought off here used were either abused or died within a week or 2 yeah thanks but no thanks.
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

why an 8300 im not bottlenecking now accept in crysis 1 but again thats crysis 1 lol. Like i said before i don't want a used card too many bad things can happen. especially used from OCN you never know what the last owner did. from what i seen The 280x has a bunch of stuff the 7970 doesn't have i'm not sure where you live but 7970's are nearly 300+ on here even and 90% were mined with.
the 6300 at 4.8 should keep up with the 7970/280X/770. here was my Thuban @ 4GHz with a stock 7950 in BF4 MP 64. . .

 
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Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post

the 6300 at 4.8 should keep up with the 7970/280X/770. here was my Thuban @ 4GHz with a stock 7950 in BF4 MP 64. . .

I know it will i got a friend with 2 760's and his 6300 handles BF4 fine solid 60 fps never drops below even on siege of shanghai
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

a 450w PSU is enough for a isingle r9 280x
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your sure? all the 280x's on newegg says min 750W is that a typo or something then? i thought that was odd considering my 580 pulls more power than a 290X even.
these two say 500w and half don't say at all. these recommendations are almost random across cards of the same type and are made to account for people who buy power supplies that false advertise in terms of their wattage capacity and quality. like PontiacGTX said, a 450w is fine. any single gpu setup aside from a 290/290X or 780ti would be fine on a good 450w. also, the gtx580 doesn't consume more power than the 290X. at least not without some major tweaking.
 
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Originally Posted by PureBlackFire View Post

these two say 500w and half don't say at all. these recommendations are almost random across cards of the same type and are made to account for people who buy power supplies that false advertise in terms of their wattage capacity and quality. like PontiacGTX said, a 450w is fine. any single gpu setup aside from a 290/290X or 780ti would be fine on a good 450w. also, the gtx580 doesn't consume more power than the 290X. at least not without some major tweaking.
Hmm That's good, i bet mine pulls close to 400 watts I've got it oc to 1GHz with 1.2V
 
#23 ·
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

yeah 330 for the 2gb 770 i might as well not bother upgrading, skyrim maxes out my friends 4gb 290x at 1080P. Not sure what you mean by 0% improvement. Also im not spending that kind of money on a used graphics card especially considering how delicate they are.
but the 7950 is barely faster than my 580 that would be a sidegrade.
The 7950 is leagues faster.
Don't look at launch benchmarks, as they are pointless being so old. The 7950 = R9 280

I went from two Heavily OCed GTX470's to a single 7950.
The 7950 offers nearly just as much GPU power as my old SLI setup. And @ 850mhz my GTX470's were pretty much on par with a stock GTX580. My problem with the 470's was lack of vram, and the usual SLI problems you gotta deal with. My 7950 plays games smoother, but never had much of a problem with smoothness on most games that support SLI.

A R9 280/7950/GTX760/670 or better would be the way to go.
The R9 290 is a beast when it comes to price/performance ATM.

I got my 7950 before the mining rush, but still after AMD's Driver troubles that plagued the hd7000 series in its early life. I never had a single problem with my 7950, one of the best cards I have ever owned.
 
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

Ha. last 3 cards i bought off here used were either abused or died within a week or 2 yeah thanks but no thanks.
From who? Make sure u buy from a reputable member with lots of rep. Also make sure you have plenty of warranty left and that it is transferable. I saw a gtx 670 for 120 last week, and I currently see a 7970 for 160, 7950 for 140, and 7870xt for 120. Those are some great deals.

A 7950 is not a side grade to a gtx 580. At all.

A 7950 was always better and as the drivers matured the gap only widened. A 7950 goes head to head with a gtx 670 and even then it still beats it by a tad cause drivers finally optimized.

A 280x takes around 240 watts. It does not need lots of power.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-radeon-r9-280x-twinfrozr-gaming-oc-review,8.html

Power Consumption

Let's have a look at how much power draw we measure with this graphics card installed. The methodology: We have a device constantly monitoring the power draw from the PC. We simply stress the GPU, not the processor. The before and after wattage will tell us roughly how much power a graphics card is consuming under load. Our test system is based on a power hungry six-core Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition Sandy Bridge-E based setup on the X79 chipset platform. This setup is overclocked to 4.60 GHz on all cores. Next to that we have energy saving functions disabled for this motherboard and processor (to ensure consistent benchmark results). We'll be calculating the GPU power consumption here, not the total PC power consumption.

Power consumption Radeon R9-280X

System in IDLE = 121W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 350W
Difference (GPU load) = 229W
Add average IDLE wattage ~10W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 239 Watts

look at these sweet deals.

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#25 ·
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Originally Posted by DzillaXx View Post

The 7950 is leagues faster.
Don't look at launch benchmarks, as they are pointless being so old. The 7950 = R9 280

I went from two Heavily OCed GTX470's to a single 7950.
The 7950 offers nearly just as much performance as my old SLI setup. And @ 850mhz my GTX470's were pretty much on par with a stock GTX580.
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Originally Posted by Quesoblanco View Post

From who? Make sure u buy from a reputable member with lots of rep. Also make sure you have plenty of warranty left and that it is transferable. I saw a gtx 670 for 120 last week, and I currently see a 7970 for 160, 7950 for 140, and 7870xt for 120. Those are some great deals.

A 7950 is not a side grade to a gtx 580. At all.

A 7950 was always better and as the drivers matured the gap only widened. A 7950 goes head to head with a gtx 670 and even then it still beats it by a tad cause drivers finally optimized.

A 280x takes around 240 watts. It does not need lots of power.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-radeon-r9-280x-twinfrozr-gaming-oc-review,8.html

Power Consumption

Let's have a look at how much power draw we measure with this graphics card installed. The methodology: We have a device constantly monitoring the power draw from the PC. We simply stress the GPU, not the processor. The before and after wattage will tell us roughly how much power a graphics card is consuming under load. Our test system is based on a power hungry six-core Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition Sandy Bridge-E based setup on the X79 chipset platform. This setup is overclocked to 4.60 GHz on all cores. Next to that we have energy saving functions disabled for this motherboard and processor (to ensure consistent benchmark results). We'll be calculating the GPU power consumption here, not the total PC power consumption.

Power consumption Radeon R9-280X

System in IDLE = 121W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 350W
Difference (GPU load) = 229W
Add average IDLE wattage ~10W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 239 Watts

look at these sweet deals.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1507321/powercolor-pcs-ax7950-radeon-7950-3gbd5-2dhpp-video-card
http://www.overclock.net/t/1507816/2x-diamond-radeon-hd-7970-7970pe53gv2
Why is everyone so hellbent on me getting a 7950? i don't want one, a used one will not last as long as a new one that's a fact, you can never really know what the previous owner did to it even with lots of rep they can still lie. my OP was 280x or 760 why can't someone recommend one of those?
 
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We are trying to guide you to the light and get you the best deals you can get. U do not know if one video card will last longer or not. Whether it is brand new or not. I have received many cards that died after 1 month of use and yet I have cards that were used last 4 years. A 280x destroys a 760 without a doubt. It clear with all benchmarks out there.

If something goes wrong, you have a warranty that could be used. If someone sells you a messed up card and refuses to help you out, there is a great thing that backs you up. When you pay with a credit or debit card, your bank protects you from fraud. You know what that means? You call your bank and explain the situation. If the person refuses to comply, then you get you bank involved and you will get your money back. Guaranteed.

I have dealt with lots of morons in the past who sold me crap. I call my bank get my money back and give them a bad rep. It is that simple.
 
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