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Right, but that was still quad channel/different clocks comparison.

What I'm wondering is what the advantage is to running dual channel at 3200MHz and getting (just an arbitrary number) 40,000MB/s memory bandwidth vs quad channel at 2400MHz and getting 70,000MB/s ?

How is that any different to comparing default operating frequency to 3200 on the same platform. The end result is the same, very minimal gains where things are currently not bandwidth constrained.

Depending on how an application is threaded, you're not going to be any the wiser from cross comparing architectures or platform

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Right, but that was still quad channel/different clocks comparison.

What I'm wondering is what the advantage is to running dual channel at 3200MHz and getting (just an arbitrary number) 40,000MB/s memory bandwidth vs quad channel at 2400MHz and getting 70,000MB/s ?

Sure, but if you have a dual channel rig, you tweak it for the same reasons you tweak a quad channel rig.
Kinda like saying, why OC a 6 core when an 8 core is so much more. wink.gif

but anyway, z170 is about ram frequency, not bandwidth/throughput.
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but anyway, z170 is about ram frequency, not bandwidth/throughput.

So what does the added ram frequency get you, if bandwidth/throughput isn't the goal?
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did you even read the article?
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did you even read the article?

Sure did.

"given that Haswell-E currently supports four memory channels at two modules per channel, if we get a whiff of 16GB modules it could be a boon for high memory capacity prosumers. "

Quad channel is good for high memory capacity prosumers.

"For professional users, we saw a number of benefits moving to the higher memory ranges, although for only very minor performance gains. Cinebench R15 gave 2%, 7-zip gave 2% and our fluid dynamics Linux benchmark was up +4.3%."

Going faster produces modest performance gains, doesn't seem like much. But they only went up from 2133 to 3200, so going up to 3600~3800(?) in quad channel might gain another percent or so? Where does this leave us with dual channel?

Honestly, it didn't do much to convince me that super fast dual channel is superior to modestly slower quad channel. But since memory bandwidth isn't the goal, and higher RAM frequencies produce only modest gains, I'm still not seeing the light.
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Sure did.

"given that Haswell-E currently supports four memory channels at two modules per channel, if we get a whiff of 16GB modules it could be a boon for high memory capacity prosumers. "

Quad channel is good for high memory capacity prosumers.

"For professional users, we saw a number of benefits moving to the higher memory ranges, although for only very minor performance gains. Cinebench R15 gave 2%, 7-zip gave 2% and our fluid dynamics Linux benchmark was up +4.3%."

Going faster produces modest performance gains, doesn't seem like much. But they only went up from 2133 to 3200, so going up to 3600~3800(?) in quad channel might gain another percent or so? Where does this leave us with dual channel?

Honestly, it didn't do much to convince me that super fast dual channel is superior to modestly slower quad channel. But since memory bandwidth isn't the goal, and higher RAM frequencies produce only modest gains, I'm still not seeing the light.

it depends on what is being moved around. Latency is lower, row charge etc... it's just a different platform. KInda like comparing how poor quad channel looks compared to Octa channel and saying why bother with quad channel, that's all. thumb.gif
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I didn't realize the ins and outs. I thought memory bandwidth was the goal and faster frequencies were the means. I know when I was trying to reach 3200 with my 32GB kit, 3200MHZ in triple channel was noticeably slower (I mean I could feel it, no benchmark needed) than quad channel at 2666.

Live and learn, I reckon.
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Ripjaw V series 32GB on my RVE, the new Samsung chips seem to work very well on X99


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Right, but that was still quad channel/different clocks comparison.

What I'm wondering is what the advantage is to running dual channel at 3200MHz and getting (just an arbitrary number) 40,000MB/s memory bandwidth vs quad channel at 2400MHz and getting 70,000MB/s ?

I'd be thrilled with 70k at 2400 but I get



Which isn't bad I guess but it's 3000 that I can't seem to get to run that at the same cpu speeds. I'll know more tomorrow when I get a set of 3000 G.Skillz of 4x8.
Which may go back for V series since the above stud has had decent success with it.

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I'm at 2666, I can't get anything higher to work on this 32GB kit, and get marginally higher scores than yours. About halfway between you and Menthol, I guess. But it's really stable, until I get another tweaking wild hair, this'll do me fine.
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Menthol is running cache at 4.6 in that post... major impact on AID64 memory/cache benchmark.
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