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Originally Posted by tistou77 View Post

It's not me who did the tests, I have no Deluxe smile.gif

The person who made them, working in the "computer world" (microprocessors, microcode, etc ... if I remember)
No relationship with anyone, he test and gives its results and not "criticize" without bringing anything

Understood. I know you said something like that once, but the language barrier kept me from comprehending. Sorry.

Anyway, yeah, he didn't have adaptive cache working, it was just C-States getting his voltage that low (I was wrong earlier, the video shows it goes all the way down to 0.6v, not just .716v.) And that's exactly what I'm getting with C6 Non Retention states turned on. So that settles that issue.

Again, if I can actually be totally stable in stress tests without instability with that turned on, that would be a *totally* sufficient answer for me. Think I'll devote my energy there instead. Will still bring up the XTU not setting max cache multiplier properly to Intel though, so that this whole thing wasn't a waste. If it gets 'em to take another look at this whole mess, some good may come out of it for those that C-States don't work for (like me).
    
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Praz:

The idle voltage results were still impressive, regardless of what was getting his maximum voltage where it was. Until you realize C-States were in play. Which no one noticed except me. But don't worry, giving any credit for someone figuring something out that no one else has, even without the vaunted and infinite knowledge you possess, is something I've come to realize you are completely incapable of, so I don't expect it anymore.

OK. This is my last post to you. Several days ago I explained to you in multiple posts what offset and adaptive voltage modes were, how they functioned and the purpose of each mode both individually and combined. In reality no more than a few sentences should have been required. But I took the time to reply to each of your posts both in a timely and courteous manner. Armed with that basic info you went off on a tangent which concluded in wild theories based on nothing more than your just discovered basic knowledge of the subject. In the process you not only tried shutting down anyone that had the knowledge or experience to refute your wild claims but was also rude in the process. You have now joined my small list of users whose posts I skip over when reading a forum. Good day.
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Guys, dont get angry, be water my friends!!!

I would love adaptive cache working ok, real pity its broken, so partial solutions are welcome!!!
Edited by vmanuelgm - 7/31/16 at 3:35pm
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But don't worry, giving any credit for someone figuring something out that no one else has, DESPITE lacking the vaunted and infinite knowledge you possess, is something I've come to realize you are completely incapable of, so I don't expect it anymore.

Slightly modified for emphasis. And thank you for proving my point once again.

Your previous explanations were appreciated, and that appreciation was expressed by me every time. The later contempt you showed yourself capable of, not just to me but others who were never themselves rude to you ("dribble", really?), eroded that appreciation pretty quickly. As much as I was annoyed by Raja for the thread lock (particularly in light that my forcing the conversation to continue *did* result in some very interesting and positive results, such as the XTU workaround). he was never otherwise unacceptably impolite. You should take lessons from him.

I'd like to point something out. Over on the ROG forums, by my count, at least 60-70% of the people who have gone to that forum expressing an inability to get the 3xxx BIOS series working properly, who were later successful in getting it working, did so by following advise that I didn't just provide, but that I developed on my own, by reading all the reports that people were making, noting the similarities, and drawing what turned out to be the correct solutions for most of them.

I don't just ask questions. I also provide them, when I can (which is pretty frequently), saving others the trouble of doing so.

So, you know what? Please do ignore me. You may have answered questions, but never ONCE did you actually supply any help at all in terms of trying to solve the problem. Everyone else involved in this conversation - Raja, tistou, jpmboy, scone, at least attempted to contribute something toward actually solving the problem, and toward determining how far any potential workarounds could get us. Except you. Every single answer you gave was aimed at discouraging anyone from even trying. It really was that unrelenting negativity you were displaying that led me to come to my theory that it was deliberate.

So yeah, please ignore me. I'll ignore you too. We'll all be happier that way.
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Better off using XTU as Turbo-V is configured to set the low and high ratios to the same value for extreme overclocking - which is what the utility is for. I think Raja just used that to answer whether ASUS were using the same VID access method as Intel, to put an end to the conspiracy theories lol
lol - I just posted it to maybe divert attention to some proper overclocking. rolleyes.gif
(but it apparently did not do the job)
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Thank you! +rep. I spent a good 20 minutes googling for a version compatible with Windows 10 with no luck.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work. Changing the cache multiplier to either 40 or 42 in TurboV causes an immediate system hang. (EDIT: Just saw last two posts. Really? Changing cache multiplier doesn't hang anyone else's system? Huh. Wonder why mine does. Maybe another monitoring program running, will give it a try. You can't set it to apply settings on startup anyway, though, right?)

So, XTU appears to be the only option, and at least on my system, it's only good to get up to 4.0. And it also has the pretty much (for me) dealbreaking flaw that it has to be redone on every reboot (though I suppose that's not a big deal if, unlike me, you're the sort that leaves their system running 24/7 for weeks on end).

I'm thinking, though, that now we can provide hard evidence to Intel proving that XTU can only achieve real maximum 40 clocks with uncore max set to 42. That's a lot better than just posting "Adaptive cache doesn't work!" That's pretty specific proof that it's not working as intended, and that can hopefully get them to revisit the whole thing, which may lead them to fix it enough to let Asus be able to set it properly in the BIOS. Worth a shot, I think. I'll try posting about it over there sometime in the next few hours.

Recognize that if you change the cache multi BEFORE an appropriate amount of voltage is available to Cache, it will hang nearly every time. That said, adjusting the cache frequency while in the OS is a risky, and at best "iffy" proposition.
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It is not me who is tested, it's with a Deluxe, where it works compared to R5E
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Now... I know you are just trying to be funny. (hopefully)
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I'd like to point something out. Over on the ROG forums, by my count, at least 60-70% of the people who have gone to that forum expressing an inability to get the 3xxx BIOS series working properly, who were later successful in getting it working, did so by following advise that I didn't just provide, but that I developed on my own, by reading all the reports that people were making, noting the similarities, and drawing what turned out to be the correct solutions for most of them.
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LOL, yes, flash twice was one of them. Did work for quite a lot of folks, by their reports. The other was to not run memory at 2133 Mhz (optimized defaults), cause so many reports had that as a common factor. Running memory at XMP also seemed to fix a lot of people's problems.
    
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It's like "One flew over the Adaptive Nest".
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