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Hi Thanks Djgar and Grabi , between you it looks like my OC isn't that bad after all , no crashes in RB since disabling MSI AB at Boot , and it seems happy on Offset Mode too.

I had left Vccio CPU V on Auto knowing it is supposed to be 1.05 but am monitoring Voltages with HWINFO64 while playing with Offset and RB but see Auto is setting at 1.248 .... what is the safe max Voltage for Vccio ? Should CPU Input be on Auto too? I had found 1.92-1.94 was working on Manual earlier.

I am at 4375 BTW on the 125 Strap

THX.


.

You are welcome wink.gif
Yes, auto value for Vccio is crazy..1.25V.
If you enter manually 1.25V for Vccio, you will have a red warning in the Bios for this value....

If you set it manually between 1.05V and 1.1V, you should be fine.

CPU input, you mean Vccin ?

Try to keep it at 1.95V max.
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Hi Thanks Djgar and Grabi , between you it looks like my OC isn't that bad after all , no crashes in RB since disabling MSI AB at Boot , and it seems happy on Offset Mode too.

I had left Vccio CPU V on Auto knowing it is supposed to be 1.05 but am monitoring Voltages with HWINFO64 while playing with Offset and RB but see Auto is setting at 1.248 .... what is the safe max Voltage for Vccio ? Should CPU Input be on Auto too? I had found 1.92-1.94 was working on Manual earlier.

I am at 4375 BTW on the 125 Strap

THX.


.

You are welcome wink.gif
Yes, auto value for Vccio is crazy..1.25V.
If you enter manually 1.25V for Vccio, you will have a red warning in the Bios for this value....

If you set it manually between 1.05V and 1.1V, you should be fine.

CPU input, you mean Vccin ?

Try to keep it at 1.95V max.



Yes the Red Value when i tried manually is what had me worried , I had previously had it on 1.1v manually but was trying Auto as I kept getting that Crash in AB, which I have tonight figured out that it was not really MSI AB but the fact that my GTX 970 is a Gimped G1 smile.gif and can't do what most G1 970's can on core, I knew it had the bad Hynix Mem already, but with the Sliders Maxed in MSI AB it was able to pull enough power to hit it's top Boost Speed of 1531 and quickly fail in 2.44 .... I guess something changed in RB 2.44 vs 2.43 as the Error doesn't occur there.

If I turn down the OC on the 970 1 bin to 1519 Boost RB 2.44 is fine , in fact it just finished a 10 loop Benchmark run with no issues and temps are bout 6 deg.C lower than yesterday on CoreMax etc.too with the new Offset Voltages.

Yes HWInfo64 sees CPU Input as Vccin , it is on 1.92v in the bios now but maxing at 1.952v ATM, as I guess I have Vccin Eventual on Auto , should I alter something or set the Eventual to 1.94v perhaps? .

Thanks again, good info.

KB.

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Yes the Red Value when i tried manually is what had me worried , I had previously had it on 1.1v manually but was trying Auto as I kept getting that Crash in AB, which I have tonight figured out that it was not really MSI AB but the fact that my GTX 970 is a Gimped G1 smile.gif and can't do what most G1 970's can on core, I knew it had the bad Hynix Mem already, but with the Sliders Maxed in MSI AB it was able to pull enough power to hit it's top Boost Speed of 1531 and quickly fail in 2.44 .... I guess something changed in RB 2.44 vs 2.43 as the Error doesn't occur there.

If I turn down the OC on the 970 1 bin to 1519 Boost RB 2.44 is fine , in fact it just finished a 10 loop Benchmark run with no issues and temps are bout 6 deg.C lower than yesterday on CoreMax etc.too with the new Offset Voltages.

Yes HWInfo64 sees CPU Input as Vccin , it is on 1.92v in the bios now but maxing at 1.952v ATM, as I guess I have Vccin Eventual on Auto , should I alter something or set the Eventual to 1.94v perhaps? .

Thanks again, good info.

KB.

.

So, MSI AB opened during RB stress test Was the issue ?
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Yes the Red Value when i tried manually is what had me worried , I had previously had it on 1.1v manually but was trying Auto as I kept getting that Crash in AB, which I have tonight figured out that it was not really MSI AB but the fact that my GTX 970 is a Gimped G1 smile.gif and can't do what most G1 970's can on core, I knew it had the bad Hynix Mem already, but with the Sliders Maxed in MSI AB it was able to pull enough power to hit it's top Boost Speed of 1531 and quickly fail in 2.44 .... I guess something changed in RB 2.44 vs 2.43 as the Error doesn't occur there.

If I turn down the OC on the 970 1 bin to 1519 Boost RB 2.44 is fine , in fact it just finished a 10 loop Benchmark run with no issues and temps are bout 6 deg.C lower than yesterday on CoreMax etc.too with the new Offset Voltages.

Yes HWInfo64 sees CPU Input as Vccin , it is on 1.92v in the bios now but maxing at 1.952v ATM, as I guess I have Vccin Eventual on Auto , should I alter something or set the Eventual to 1.94v perhaps? .

Thanks again, good info.

KB.

.

So, MSI AB opened during RB stress test Was the issue ?



Not really No.... MSI AB was just allowing my GTX 970 to pull Full Boost Speed with the Sliders Maxed as suggested by LT of MUMOD.

With the OC MUMOD Bios Boost of 1531 core , it turns out is a TAD too much for my G1 970. I had not noticed issues in HeavenWard when testing it but RB 2.44 and OpenCl are a bit too much for it at Full Boost. Just not a Good OCing Card is all. Can't Blame MSI AB for that...


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I was having that about a month ago , but I think by raising the SA voltage then, it disappeared and I haven't seen it since but maybe that was just a coincidence?


Does anyone have a good Tutorial link on using Adaptive and Offset , I need to bone up on that now I think i have found my Voltages manually,

Thx.

Sometimes when programs like AB are open polling devices, it can flag instability quicker. If the test doesn't fail and you're able to pass 1-2 hours with the application closed however, I would just use the machine for it's intended purpose and not think too much about it.
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Hi Thanks Djgar and Grabi , between you it looks like my OC isn't that bad after all , no crashes in RB since disabling MSI AB at Boot , and it seems happy on Offset Mode too.

I had left Vccio CPU V on Auto knowing it is supposed to be 1.05 but am monitoring Voltages with HWINFO64 while playing with Offset and RB but see Auto is setting at 1.248 .... what is the safe max Voltage for Vccio ? Should CPU Input be on Auto too? I had found 1.92-1.94 was working on Manual earlier.

I am at 4375 BTW on the 125 Strap

THX.
.

Happy to help for a change - I'm usually getting help here smile.gif. I tend to run things too close to the edge - Jpmboy, Praz, Scone and others probably have more sane advice smile.gif. I always run CPU vccin in manual (as do most), 1.92-1.94 sounds good. Vccio I had to run up to 1.15 for my edgy settings, but 1.05 manual should be good for you.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kbird View Post

I was having that about a month ago , but I think by raising the SA voltage then, it disappeared and I haven't seen it since but maybe that was just a coincidence?


Does anyone have a good Tutorial link on using Adaptive and Offset , I need to bone up on that now I think i have found my Voltages manually,

Thx.

Sometimes when programs like AB are open polling devices, it can flag instability quicker. If the test doesn't fail and you're able to pass 1-2 hours with the application closed however, I would just use the machine for it's intended purpose and not think too much about it.


In this case it wasn't a Polling issue , just a crappy Card smile.gif I will lower the Core Boost Bin 1 notch (20mhz) so it doesn't happen during a bit of gaming once I get this Computer off the Testbed and reflash the Bios. For those with 970 and 980 NV Cards MUMOD is worth looking into for a safe Boost in Performance , I am sure once there is an Editor for the 10 Series Cards @Laithan will be doing Bios's for those too.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1544574/gigabyte-gtx-9xx-10xx-g1-gaming-h2o-air-bios-tweaking

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kbird View Post


Hi Thanks Djgar and Grabi , between you it looks like my OC isn't that bad after all , no crashes in RB since disabling MSI AB at Boot , and it seems happy on Offset Mode too.

I had left Vccio CPU V on Auto knowing it is supposed to be 1.05 but am monitoring Voltages with HWINFO64 while playing with Offset and RB but see Auto is setting at 1.248 .... what is the safe max Voltage for Vccio ? Should CPU Input be on Auto too? I had found 1.92-1.94 was working on Manual earlier.

I am at 4375 BTW on the 125 Strap

THX.
.

Happy to help for a change - I'm usually getting help here smile.gif. I tend to run things too close to the edge - Jpmboy, Praz, Scone and others probably have more sane advice smile.gif. I always run CPU vccin in manual (as do most), 1.92-1.94 sounds good. Vccio I had to run up to 1.15 for my edgy settings, but 1.05 manual should be good for you.


So humble smile.gif you are always giving good advice here , so thanks again.

In fact for all my googling and reading 1000 pages ? of this thread I have not seen the Advice that Adaptive does not work on the 125mhz strap anywhere else , so that alone I am sure saved me another week or two of frustration with X99 smile.gif


KB.

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Edited by Kbird - 9/6/16 at 6:54pm
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Should I RMA my Sabertooth X99 if on the settings that work with Manual will not work set on Fully Manual?

I was running some benchmarks, wouldn't boot on Fully Manual at 4.8GHZ CPU and 4.5GHZ cache but when I used the same voltages on Manual it booted and ran the benchmarks fine. redface.gif
    
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Should I RMA my Sabertooth X99 if on the settings that work with Manual will not work set on Fully Manual?

I was running some benchmarks, wouldn't boot on Fully Manual at 4.8GHZ CPU and 4.5GHZ cache but when I used the same voltages on Manual it booted and ran the benchmarks fine. redface.gif


Bios Issue perhaps ?

Sorry I don't have enough experience or Knowledge of X99 to really Comment , perhaps @Praz will .


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In this case it wasn't a Polling issue , just a crappy Card smile.gif I will lower the Core Boost Bin 1 notch (20mhz) so it doesn't happen during a bit of gaming once I get this Computer off the Testbed and reflash the Bios. For those with 970 and 980 NV Cards MUMOD is worth looking into for a safe Boost in Performance , I am sure once there is an Editor for the 10 Series Cards @Laithan will be doing Bios's for those too.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1544574/gigabyte-gtx-9xx-10xx-g1-gaming-h2o-air-bios-tweaking
So humble smile.gif you are always giving good advice here , so thanks again.

In fact for all my googling and reading 1000 pages ? of this thread I have not seen the Advice that Adaptive does not work on the 125mhz strap anywhere else , so that alone I am sure saved me another week or two of frustration with X99 smile.gif

KB.
.

That info is out there somewhere in the thread, where I got it from probably Raja or Praz IIR - it's just too much to read smile.gif.
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