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post #12941 of 22287
May I get some help with my pc?

Problem:
When go to shutdown computer (Start > Shutdown), the computer will shut off for 3-5 seconds and then turn itself on again.

Diagnosis:
Memory overclocked to 3200MHz (32x100 strap) 1.35v ram, 0.96v vccsa
16-18-18-38 1t

Tested memory overclock with aida64 memory + cache over night - Stable
Tested memory overclock with HCI Memtest over night - 2500% pass no errors - Stable

Further diagnosis:

Backed down the memory divider to 28x100 strap and kept all settings same = Computer shuts down fine and does not restart.


Is there a reason why using the 3200MHz overclock will cause the computer to restart on it's own when I go to shutdown?
post #12942 of 22287
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Originally Posted by lilchronic View Post

GTA V stable ? GTA V only puts like a 30% load on my 5820k, Try running realbench and aida64 for at least 15min.

............... I woulld say 1.328v /1.95vccin is fine for daily use.

thanks buti am lazy to benchmark i only play gta V thats why biggrin.gif
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post #12943 of 22287
Someone will have tested the thermal paste "liquid metal" '(Coollaboratory Ultra, etc ...) ?
It really is better than the Gelid Extreme or other ?

Thanks
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post #12944 of 22287
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Originally Posted by Medusa666 View Post

4,8 GHz at 1,25V stable boot into Windows.


Yeah, thanks for that general tip haha. Right now the VCCIN is fixed at 1,800V, and the Vcore at 1,250V.

As you can see I'm in Windows, going to see if it boots with a multi of 49 too.

Boot into windows doesn't really mean much. For example, I can boot into windows @ 1.18V @ 4.7 into but I need 1.285V to maintain stability under any stresstest/benchmark.

I'd say start with 1.10Vcore and 1.9VCCIN with a medium level of droop / LLC applied And go from there. Any multi you choose is fine.

Keep cache & mem stock until you dial a good baseline CPU frequency.

One thing that's helped me get better with X99/Haswell-E is going slow. Play around with different settings individually. For example, let's say you dialed in a decent baseline where you can run some basic stress tests for 15-20 minutes, you can start playing with VCCIN. Lowering it or raising it and see if you get more or less stability.

Then try with vCore, and other voltages. Little by little. Eventually you'll find a good combination of settings that your chip & board likes, and really allow you to squeeze out every ounce of performance in the future.

Same thing goes with RAM.. and cache..
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Originally Posted by tistou77 View Post

Someone will have tested the thermal paste "liquid metal" '(Coollaboratory Ultra, etc ...) ?
It really is better than the Gelid Extreme or other ?

Thanks

I have Hydronaut OTW. I've tried Kryonaut but with the applicator I wasn't able to get a good spread the first time and actually got worse temperatures than compared with GC-Extreme.

I'll be putting Kryonaut back on soon, just need to finish binning this chip.

I'm on GC-Extreme and temps are pretty good. I'm sure with a good application Kryonaut will perform better.

Ultimately all the top TIMs are within a degree of each other. I'd say pick the TIM that's best bang for buck, and has the best property for spreading.

For example GC-Extreme is a little bit thick at times, so you really gota find the best mount. Different techniques also help.

Bad spread will always ruin your temperatures especially on the hot 5960X.
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post #12945 of 22287
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Originally Posted by cookiesowns View Post

I'll be putting Kryonaut back on soon, just need to finish binning this chip.

I'm on GC-Extreme and temps are pretty good. I'm sure with a good application Kryonaut will perform better.

Ultimately all the top TIMs are within a degree of each other. I'd say pick the TIM that's best bang for buck, and has the best property for spreading.

For example GC-Extreme is a little bit thick at times, so you really gota find the best mount. Different techniques also help.

Bad spread will always ruin your temperatures especially on the hot 5960X.

The Grizzly will be better than Gelid Extreme?
And compared to the paste "liquid metal" is the same?
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Boot into windows doesn't really mean much. For example, I can boot into windows @ 1.18V @ 4.7 into but I need 1.285V to maintain stability under any stresstest/benchmark.

I'd say start with 1.10Vcore and 1.9VCCIN with a medium level of droop / LLC applied And go from there. Any multi you choose is fine.

Keep cache & mem stock until you dial a good baseline CPU frequency.

One thing that's helped me get better with X99/Haswell-E is going slow. Play around with different settings individually. For example, let's say you dialed in a decent baseline where you can run some basic stress tests for 15-20 minutes, you can start playing with VCCIN. Lowering it or raising it and see if you get more or less stability.

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Same thing goes with RAM.. and cache..

Thank you, I'l begin exactly there and see how it goes. My cooler is the Noctua NH-U12S, so I would be very happy with just a minor OC to 4 GHz.
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post #12947 of 22287
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The Grizzly will be better than Gelid Extreme?
And compared to the paste "liquid metal" is the same?

Yes, grizzly will most likely be better than the Gelid. Take a look at the reviews out there. Grizzly is nearly at the top, but for price-performance it might not win out.

I don't use liquid metal pastes as I frequently rebuild my system, or try out new components, especially on the GPU side.

If you are running a non-soldered IHS chip, then yes liquid metal all the way between the IHS and die.
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Originally Posted by Medusa666 View Post

Thank you, I'l begin exactly there and see how it goes. My cooler is the Noctua NH-U12S, so I would be very happy with just a minor OC to 4 GHz.

Should be a piece of cake! If you're aiming for 4Ghz, start at around + 0.1v off your VID.

For example, if your VID is at 0.9 you would want to use 1.00 for your vCore.

This chip I tested in an HP prebuilt, 5960X was capable of doing 4.2Ghz stable at 1.05VCore. It was cine benching at 1.15V for 4.4-4.5V. It was current limited by the VRM's..... Sometimes I still regret not taking off the cooler to check the batch/serial number as it seemed to run really, really well.

The GTX980 in there was also 78% ASIC too haha!
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Should be a piece of cake! If you're aiming for 4Ghz, start at around + 0.1v off your VID.

For example, if your VID is at 0.9 you would want to use 1.00 for your vCore.

This chip I tested in an HP prebuilt, 5960X was capable of doing 4.2Ghz stable at 1.05VCore. It was cine benching at 1.15V for 4.4-4.5V. It was current limited by the VRM's..... Sometimes I still regret not taking off the cooler to check the batch/serial number as it seemed to run really, really well.

The GTX980 in there was also 78% ASIC too haha!

Great feedback here, so my VID was 0,904v at stock, currently I'm at 4,0GHz with 1,000v. Lower than 0,980v and it fails to boot. Ring is at 3,5GHz and 0,850v, VCCIN 1,800v. I have set the LLC to medium, not auto.

Anything about the above that is abnormal, is the Ring voltage considered OK? How high should the ring freq. be in relation to the CPU?

I'm pretty happy about here, have been doing a few short A64 runs and Cinebench R15.
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Thank you, I'l begin exactly there and see how it goes. My cooler is the Noctua NH-U12S, so I would be very happy with just a minor OC to 4 GHz.
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Great feedback here, so my VID was 0,904v at stock, currently I'm at 4,0GHz with 1,000v. Lower than 0,980v and it fails to boot. Ring is at 3,5GHz and 0,850v, VCCIN 1,800v. I have set the LLC to medium, not auto.

Anything about the above that is abnormal, is the Ring voltage considered OK? How high should the ring freq. be in relation to the CPU?

I'm pretty happy about here, have been doing a few short A64 runs and Cinebench R15.

Cache/Ring should not go above 1.25V for daily use. IMO. Some people say 1.275 some people say 1.3. I personally stick at 1.25V unless you really want to go for 4.5+.

I would try raising VCCIN just a nudge to see if you get more stability. 0.904 VID stock is pretty dang good!

Also give these a shot for stability testing:

X265 HWBOT. Use 4K 2x overkill for the best quick stress on core & VCCIN. You may notice this requires more voltage on VCCIN than x264 or other stress tests. It's also somewhat memory heavy too, so memory instability can cause dropouts or errors.

http://downloads.hwbot.org/downloads/benchmarks/HWBOT_x265_Benchmark_1.2-.rar

x264 v1.5

http://www.overclock.net/t/1487922/going-deeper-on-the-x264-v2-stress-test

I use x264 for some quick testing. x265 if I know my workloads are more strenuous.
Edited by cookiesowns - 9/21/15 at 9:21pm
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Yes, grizzly will most likely be better than the Gelid. Take a look at the reviews out there. Grizzly is nearly at the top, but for price-performance it might not win out.

I don't use liquid metal pastes as I frequently rebuild my system, or try out new components, especially on the GPU side.

If you are running a non-soldered IHS chip, then yes liquid metal all the way between the IHS and die.

Ok thank you, I'll test the Grizzly, may be (currently I have Phobya Hegrease Extrem, equivalent to the Gelid)
I have a 5930K, with IHS welded biggrin.gif

For Grizzly is the kryonaut, hydonaut or Aeronaut (WC) ?

Thanks
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