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Ok thank you, I'll test the Grizzly, may be (currently I have Phobya Hegrease Extrem, equivalent to the Gelid)
I have a 5930K, with IHS welded biggrin.gif

For Grizzly is the kryonaut, hydonaut or Aeronaut (WC) ?

Thanks

Hydronaut is slightly easier to spread than Kryonaut based on der8auer's reviews. Kryonaut for best performance. In reality we're all splitting hairs between the top TIM's anyways.
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http://overclocking.guide/thermal-paste-roundup-2015-47-products-tested-with-air-cooling-and-liquid-nitrogen-ln2/6/



Anything under 9 deltaT is about as good as it gets w/o going for the exotic liquid metals.
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So apperently I cannot get my cpu stable anything below 1.242v on 4.2Ghz / 3.8 cache 1.227v. on LLC6 with 1.870VCCIN. Stable as in being able to run for 8 hours, 2 hours aida64 and 2 hours 265X encode and 30 min realbench 2 hours gaming. Do you guys think its worth it going for 4.3Ghz atleast considering im running high voltages already I mean whats the point might not need much more anyway..

These are my settings now. Pretty glad it runs now thought wink.gif my board and cpu really needed this exact amount of VVCIN to beable to run these tests for so long. So to anyone else VCCIN plays a HUGE role in stabillity I think.
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I'm having a bit of an interesting issue. When I wake my computer from sleep, the uncore has gone from 3800MHz to 2400MHz and doesn't go back up to 3800MHz unless I reboot. At first I thought it might be a sensor bug, but my score in cinebench seems to confirm it, before sleeping It scores a 1345, after sleeping It scores 1270. The CPU frequency isn't effected, and as far as I can tell the only thing that is being effected by sleep is the uncore multi.
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I'm having a bit of an interesting issue. When I wake my computer from sleep, the uncore has gone from 3800MHz to 2400MHz and doesn't go back up to 3800MHz unless I reboot. At first I thought it might be a sensor bug, but my score in cinebench seems to confirm it, before sleeping It scores a 1345, after sleeping It scores 1270. The CPU frequency isn't effected, and as far as I can tell the only thing that is being effected by sleep is the uncore multi.

I might be wrong on this since for me it was other way around. When my cpu was unstable but being able to run atleast some heavy workloads just fine without any sigh on unstableness(yet) My main core would hang on 4200mhz and not downthrottle at all anymore besides doing a restart(have been able to reproduce this). So to your question I think it means something is unstable? Again someone else should confirm this for you as yours might be related to windows sleep ******* up somewhere. I dont got it turned on so..
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I might be wrong on this since for me it was other way around. When my cpu was unstable but being able to run atleast some heavy workloads just fine without any sigh on unstableness(yet) My main core would hang on 4200mhz and not downthrottle at all anymore besides doing a restart(have been able to reproduce this). So to your question I think it means something is unstable? Again someone else should confirm this for you as yours might be related to windows sleep ******* up somewhere. I dont got it turned on so..


It passed stability tests, and I've been running it at this frequency with no crashes for about 6 weeks, only restarts for updates pretty much. The first time it slept was 2 days ago, because it wasn't able to sleep because mumble was open and it prevents sleep. It goes straight to 2400MHz even if it only asleep for an instant, haven't noticed any other issues or weirdness it's been 100% rock solid stable aside from that.

Edit: I've since disabled sleep, since it doesn't really take that long to shut down and boot back up with boot ssd's.

It may be a motherboard issue, or maybe Windows 10 but it's not worth the trouble of having it enabled.
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So apperently I cannot get my cpu stable anything below 1.242v on 4.2Ghz / 3.8 cache 1.227v. on LLC6 with 1.870VCCIN. Stable as in being able to run for 8 hours, 2 hours aida64 and 2 hours 265X encode and 30 min realbench 2 hours gaming. Do you guys think its worth it going for 4.3Ghz atleast considering im running high voltages already I mean whats the point might not need much more anyway..

These are my settings now. Pretty glad it runs now thought wink.gif my board and cpu really needed this exact amount of VVCIN to beable to run these tests for so long. So to anyone else VCCIN plays a HUGE role in stabillity I think.

VCCIN plays a large role in sustained stability. LLC affects idle stability.

The issue is variable load and transient frequency states. The only way to test that is with a video game, or something which causes the core frequency and cache frequency to bounce around. Benchmarks lock utilisation and/or frequency at 100%. Video games vary load between 0% and 100%, which makes them fantastic stability candidates. This is why some systems fail Prime95 and play games, and vice versa. h.264 is great at testing full load stability, and video games are better at testing variable stability. I haven't seen a single "benchmark" or "stability test" which varies load in the same way that a video game does - but if any of you know of one, please share, cause it'll be really useful. Hence, why GTA V is a pretty good stability test - but not in the ordinary sense of the word.

With a lower LLC, there is VCCIN Vdroop, and if that Vdroop causes VCCIN to droop too much, you will end up failing these 100% load scenarios, as not enough input voltage is being supplied. There are two ways to combat that - either increase the VCCIN or increase LLC. The safer option is to increase VCCIN, but most situations will allow raising LLC to Medium, or a little under 100%. So there is some VCCIN Vdroop, but not a lot of Vdroop. Vdroop is important as without it, the VCCIN can spike during idle-load states, to way higher than the VCCIN you set in the BIOS, thanks to jpmboy. As to what level of VCCIN is safe? That's up to you. Heck, I have a stable system with only 1.72V of VCCIN, and LLC 6/9, but user situations are entirely different based on the chip being used. While I may need a 1.72V, you may well need 1.87V. And there is nothing wrong with that - as long as you ensure there is enough Vdroop in the VCCIN to prevent these spikes. Most people stick to below 2.00V for regular OCing. Once you've reached the LLC limit, just focus on pushing up the VCCIN. It's safe to run a high idle VCCIN such as 2.00V, but it is not safe to run a high load VCCIN. This is because whilst at idle, a low amount of current and power is being drawn from the system (hence idle), so Voltage won't harm the chip. When you suddenly start loading the chip, current and power load increase massively, so as the load voltage gets higher, it puts a lot more strain on the chip. Beyond 2.00V I wouldn't recommend LLC at all, or only a tiny bit of LLC.

Vdroop - Voltage drop between idle and load voltages.
LLC - Load Line Calibration, affect the Vdroop, by reducing it. Essentially drives more current through the chip when it is loaded; increases the dangerous effect of voltage spikes during idle-load states.
Edited by Desolutional - 9/22/15 at 5:32am
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I dont know where is the problem but.
My CPU is Realbench stable at 1.255v and 45 multi
My CPU is Aida64 stable at 1.255v and 45 multi
My CPU is x264 stable at 1.255v and 45 multi
If i try 46 multi i am able to maintain stability only in Aida64 with 1.275 volts
If i try Realbench or x264 system freeze with 1.275 volts
Realbench detect instability with 1.35 volts and 46 multi.Is it possible that my cpu realy suck's
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I dont know where is the problem but.
My CPU is Realbench stable at 1.255v and 45 multi
My CPU is Aida64 stable at 1.255v and 45 multi
My CPU is x264 stable at 1.255v and 45 multi
If i try 46 multi i am able to maintain stability only in Aida64 with 1.275 volts
If i try Realbench or x264 system freeze with 1.275 volts
Realbench detect instability with 1.35 volts and 46 multi.Is it possible that my cpu realy suck's

Could just be Voltage Wall. Happens on most chips - where the next clock multiplier requires huge amount of Vcore to stabilize.

Someine mentioned a rule (not really a rule but an advice) if the next multi requires more than 0.05 Volts to stabilize from the previous clock, it's not worth it. Especially if you are already past 1.3V Vcore.
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