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Asus claims it is Intel recommended.

Though Asus did not put it in an article for X99, i guess it is safe to ignore the differential for HW-e.

Glad to hear many OCers are running past the differential just like me. thumb.gif
    
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Originally Posted by dansi View Post

Asus claims it is Intel recommended.

Probably just some odd wording that got lost in translation.

One look at the stock VIDs of Haswell-E parts and the nominal input voltage ranges shows that Intel is typically setting vcore far more than 0.4v below vinput.

The 0.4v differential mentioned is likely meant as the minimum usable differential.
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VCCIN is entirely chip dependent on HW-E. There's no "golden rule" or offset to choose a good VCCIN. The VCCIN doesn't just affect Vcore, it affects the cache, system agent and FIVR.

Also my lawd, several hundred hours of Prime95 on an OCed chip. No wonder you keep killing these things. rolleyes.gif
post #13094 of 22164
And the logic circle continues
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I myself are running 1,950 with LLC 8 which gives me 1.970v max, hope it`s safe for 24/7 lol ^^

Running sig for the rest. (1.315V 4.7Ghz core, 4.2Ghz 1,150V cache) and system agent at offset of 0.200.

Anyhow, I know Asus recommends active cooling on vrms and stuff beyond 4000mhz, but my case airflow is pretty good now after i got the last NB pro something 140mm fans. I can touch all 4 heatsinks on my WS board without a issue, i guess i don`t need to actively cool it then? I guess not as the temp can`t be that high anyhow, the hottest heatsink is the one that cools down the PLX chips.

I am happy with my overclock now, been running Nacl the whole day without an issue (Folding@Home) and it gives me around 75¤C on the hottest core which the package temps is also the same. Aida64 gives me the same temps +/- a degree or two tops. So pretty a-ok on a singel 360 rad for both cpu and gpus. ^^
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Also my lawd, several hundred hours of Prime95 on an OCed chip. No wonder you keep killing these things. rolleyes.gif

That dead Haswell-E had fewer stress test hours on it than any other OCed CPU in my possession (and there are about a dozen CPUs that have been OCed currently in my possession), other than this brand new part, of course. Pretty much all of my CPUs eventually see at least a few thousand hours of stress testing, and far more than that amount of time of heavy continuous use...the overwhelming majority of them are still working without issue.

Anyway, I isolated the cause of failure, with good certainty, to be a weak uncore/excessive uncore clock/volts/VLs. 90% of the time I ran Prime on the part was within the first month I had it, and I didn't start encountering issues until after I moved the part to my SOC Champion and starting pushing the uncore well past what was attainable on my OC Formula. The part remained stable with the same core OC and vcore throughout the time I had it, even when I needed significant overvolting of the uncore to keep it stable at stock. No doubt stress testing resulted in faster degradation of the uncore, but it was only fast enough to be an issue because the uncore was pushed too far.

Ultimately, my first sample was a necessary sacrifice so that I can better understand the limitations of the silicon. My goal with OCing has always been, to extract the most performance from a part possible, under the most demanding scenarios, while achieving stock or better levels of stability. I'm looking for settings that will execute any code conceivable without appreciably degrading the part over the time I intend to keep it.

Maybe my first sample wasn't representative. Maybe I'll kill this new sample as well. I doubt this will be the case, but I'll learn from such an occurrence, and I'll keep refining my settings until I have discovered the best way to take advantage of the margins of whatever chips survive.

I'm not going to stop running tests because the tests get better at extracting performance from my hardware, I'll adjust my settings so that the hardware can survive. A few parts may need to die in the process of finding out where the boundary between probably safe and probably not safe are, but that's trial and error that can't really be substituted with anything else...unless I want to sacrifice even more performance or confidence in stability.
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I can confirm cache degradation. My old 5820K could first run 4.5Ghz uncore 1.25V, after a while 4.375Ghz etc, i had to move down to 4Ghz 1.100V to keep it stable, i RMA`ed the chip and got a refund. That sucks..

-nvm-
Edited by GreedyMuffin - 9/27/15 at 12:49pm
post #13098 of 22164
I was a bit concerned about not being able to use Prime95 to help dial in an overclock on my Haswell-E system. Relied upon it so heavily in the past. Nothing else seemed to work as well

But dailing in an OC with the various tools available now has been very smooth and effective on my end. RealBench, x264 benchmark and AIDA64 for cache etc... Served me very well they have. HWBOT x265 Benchmark has been a good one too.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post

nice work on that kit. See if it can aim for 1T though

Three weeks later and I finally got around to giving 1T a go at 3200 for my Corsair LPX 2666C15 sticks, lol
Trying 15-17-17-35 1t at 1.35v in bios, all sub timings left at presets. Nothing to out of the ordinary I imagine, but I am tickled none the less smile.gif

but just running a humble 3800 uncore clock at the moment with cache just a bit over stock voltage






I take things slow here, will probably run as is for a few weeks before I invest more into cache and sub timings.

Props to all the good advice here by the way thumb.gif
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I was a bit concerned about not being able to use Prime95 to help dial in an overclock on my Haswell-E system. Relied upon it so heavily in the past. Nothing else seemed to work as well

But dailing in an OC with the various tools available now has been very smooth and effective on my end. RealBench, x264 benchmark and AIDA64 for cache etc... Served me very well they have. HWBOT x265 Benchmark has been a good one too.






Three weeks later and I finally got around to giving 1T a go at 3200 for my Corsair LPX 2666C15 sticks, lol
Trying 15-17-17-35 1t at 1.35v in bios, all sub timings left at presets. Nothing to out of the ordinary I imagine, but I am tickled none the less smile.gif

but just running a humble 3800 uncore clock at the moment with cache just a bit over stock voltage
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



I take things slow here, will probably run as is for a few weeks before I invest more into cache and sub timings.

Props to all the good advice here by the way thumb.gif

those are some pretty good 2666 sticks! thumb.gif

p95 is totally unnecessary if the objective is a good 24/7 OC. There are so many other tools that will establish stability and not degrade a cpu while doing so - which then leads to an inevitable voltage adjustment, and more p95 testing - perseverating to the same error. It's fine for low OCs, or low core/thread counts but not much more.
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There's also a good reason why FMA3 and AVX2 instructions on Xeons result in a maximum boost cap, and different TDP parameters smile.gif

That said,

Anyone have any idea about 101x BSOD errors? This chip that has a low VID seems to be very finnicky on the FIVR. Cache seems to be good, cores are half solid as well. But I keep getting x101 errors for the life of me.

I'm at 1.95 VCCIN and L6 LLC for 1.215V 4.6 and 1.2V 4.3 cache.

1.96 VCCIN L7 LLC and 1.285V 4.7 and 1.25v 4.5 cache ( a64 tested ) is gaming and streaming stable for the longest time, but if I fire up x264 after 2-3 passes it's a x101.

I backed it down to known good 4.6 settings and the same shizz.

I already went from 1.285V to 1.3V for vcore @ 4.7 and nope, same error, if not errors faster.

4.6 went from 1.20V to 1.215V same thing..
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