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So what voltage is likely the culprit when you get a hard lock and freeze, as opposed to a OS error/dump and reboot?

Likely either memory voltage/timings or cache voltage.
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Likely either memory voltage/timings or cache voltage.

Ok I was pretty sure it was cache, so that narrows it down. - Thanks
    
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Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post

Likely either memory voltage/timings or cache voltage.

Hate to throw a spanner but...lol
Could it be VCCIN as well, that's what I encountered recently, upping to VCCIN to 1.900v stopped the hard locks?
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First I've heard of there being a "break-in" period for solid state devices? Did prior generations of intel chips need that too? What procedure is used to break-in a chip? I know hi heat can accelerate degradation. Is the "break-in" the consequences of over aggressive clocking and heat when finding the limits of a new chip?
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Hate to throw a spanner but...lol
Could it be VCCIN as well, that's what I encountered recently, upping to VCCIN to 1.900v stopped the hard locks?

I bumped the cache from 1.00v to 1.05v and the hard locks went away. Then I just bumped the vcore up .005 to compensate after I had one "bsod" around the 90 minute mark.

Now if I could only find a way to get the voltage throttling to work with the high performance windows power plan. It seems even setting the min processor state like the balanced plan doesnt work. I guess i can just customize the balanced plan and make sure it ramps up fully with a benchmark or two.
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I think im going to leave it here for now:

This is my second pass > 1hour. I realize AIDA64 isn't the best stress test, but prime95 sounds like unnecessary wear and tear. I think ill run the HWBOT x265 4k bench a little and see how it handles that and then just start using it. Worst case i add a little voltage here and there.

I think I have alot of headroom - what do you guys think ?



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Give Realbench a go too. Seems like a nice chip
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First I've heard of there being a "break-in" period for solid state devices? Did prior generations of intel chips need that too? What procedure is used to break-in a chip? I know hi heat can accelerate degradation. Is the "break-in" the consequences of over aggressive clocking and heat when finding the limits of a new chip?

The "break-in" is simply early degradation (probably a degree of electromigration) which happens quickly, then plateaus rather than accelerating...unless pushed beyond certain limits, of course.

It's probably been a thing forever, to one degree or another, but I first noticed it in CPUs around the time of Wolfdale...though I dismissed it as insufficient stress testing at the time. There have even been cases of ICs improving in capabilities, to a point, with a certain amount of wear; though the only credible reports, and only first hand evidence I've seen of this was with Winbond DDR ICs (BH-6, BH-5, and CH-5, specifically).

It's likely that some designs and certain manufacturing processes have more of a propensity to reach a definitive plateau rather than just continuing on a more dramatic failure curve, and that certain types of OCing tend to make the presence of this more apparent.

As far as procedure...it's inevitable, unavoidable, and is probably why there is so much margin left on these parts in the first place. If it's electromigration (or most kinds of IC aging/failure to be honest), the more current, voltage, and heat, the faster it will happen. Obviously, if you go too wild on any of these you will rapidly degrade the part to outright failure.

To speed the process up, I stress test parts heavily out of the box, either at stock, or with a mild OC (also useful for weeding out weak samples while I still have 30 days to return things to where I bought them). It could take weeks of light use to break in a part, or a few hours of LINPACK. Only afterwards do I try to find my 24/7 stable OCs...too easy to waste time trying to dial in a final OC before the part has plateaued.
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So i just contacting some seller from Amazon for J batch and one of them tell me this
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So i have 2 bad newses ! Your order is an L . In fact i have only L in stock . Second bad bews , i just check my database with Intel's distributor , and i can say that we have not received J since Feb.2015 . This does not mean that you would not be able find it , you just need to look into places that they do not sell high volume ,where they have stock from 5 months . More of smaller computer stores

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Not necessarily a bad news, if you look on HWbot forum, you'll see some good L batch as well. (like Dancop, L516Bxxx)
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EK-Coostream XE 360 EK-Vardar F4-120ER EK-XRES 140 D5 Vario (incl. pump) Win10 / Win 8.1 / Win 7 / Linux Mint 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2515H Ducky Channel Shine III MX black - white LED /... Enermax Platimax 1000w dimastech easy v3 
MouseMouse Pad
logitech G9X HyperX 900x400 / Steelseries QCK 
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