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How much longer should I let Aida64 run before I can call the OC stable? 3 hours in so far. 4.5Ghz.



Maxes out around 73c on one core with the rest being 70c or below.
Volts hover between 1.258 and 1.263. Are these temps/volts safe for 24/7?

Thought I'd type out the specs with the pic just for if it didn't end up that clear.

Thanks guys.
Edited by Tobe404 - 10/18/15 at 9:13am
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I'd call it a day and maybe try Realbench.
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I'm just running stressapptest again.
Made the mistake of running it from a USB instead, 5 minutes in the machine rebooted itself lol.
My bad, Mint is installed properly now 45 minutes into the test.
Freaked a bit when I saw the whole thread power spike thing but it's normal and didn't hang.
I'm guessing that happens a few time, just saw it again "pausing worker threads in preparation for a power spike".
Ok it passed, but a strange thing happened once it was finished, I was there the last 2 minutes, once it finished and brought up the results, 0 errors, the machine rebooted a few seconds later.
Now I don't know why that happened or if it was Mint trying to reallocate ram, I'm not sure, but as far as the test was concerned it passed. redface.gif

These hard resets you're getting sound ominous. I wouldn't like to guess the cause...have you tested your cache stability?
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Hello

I have nothing to ask for but I want to talk about the Safe voltage for haswell-E some people say 1.25v is the max ?? those cpus use the same core as 4770k/4790k right ? nothing new ?

the 4790k stock voltage around 1.20 to 1.28v from the good to worst chip so why 1.25v is the max ? also if we look to the new 14nm cpus the stock voltage around >1.3v for 4.2ghz so I think 1.3v is fine for haswell cores ?

just looking for some info maybe i miss something ?
   
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Safe voltage is a personal preference. I'd suggest less than 1.25V if you're using a CLC, and if you have a custom loop, go as high as your temps permit. Staying below 70~75C during stress testing is always a good idea.

Of course you could always use an intelligent throttling limit too; i.e. setting the Core Temperature limit in the BIOS to your max desired temp. The mobo will then throttle/cut off cores depending on how much voltage and heat is being passed through them. You could also fiddle with the turbo power limits which does a similar thing, albeit instead of shutting down cores it will simply throttle the maximum power dissipated through the CPU package.

Voltages are linked to temperatures with CPUs. In the case of "normal" Haswell, the maximum voltages can be higher, as the density of the CPU package is lower (you have less cores inside the package). As a result of thermodynamics, the power output from the quad core CPU is lower than an identical hexcore CPU. With Haswell-E, the cores are packed close, just like Haswell, but you also have more cores. More cores with the same power output = more thermal energy being generated and output. As a result, on average, temperatures with an identical cooling solution are higher than their Haswell counterparts.

*As with all overclocking, you can go as high as your cooling permits - which is why Dry Ice and LN2 can be used to reach mammoth clock speeds and use insane voltages. The basic thing to take from this, is that with equivalent voltages and clock speeds, the Haswell-E processor will generate more "waste" energy than the Haswell processor. The extra "waste" energy needs to be removed via cooling by heatsink. If you use the same heatsink and cooling, the temps will be higher as the heatsink and cooling have to deal with more energy.
Edited by Desolutional - 10/18/15 at 11:41am
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Safe voltage is a personal preference. I'd suggest less than 1.25V if you're using a CLC, and if you have a custom loop, go as high as your temps permit. Staying below 70~75C during stress testing is always a good idea.

Of course you could always use an intelligent throttling limit too; i.e. setting the Core Temperature limit in the BIOS to your max desired temp. The mobo will then throttle/cut off cores depending on how much voltage and heat is being passed through them. You could also fiddle with the turbo power limits which does a similar thing, albeit instead of shutting down cores it will simply throttle the maximum power dissipated through the CPU package.

Voltages are linked to temperatures with CPUs. In the case of "normal" Haswell, the maximum voltages can be higher, as the density of the CPU package is lower (you have less cores inside the package). As a result of thermodynamics, the power output from the quad core CPU is lower than an identical hexcore CPU. With Haswell-E, the cores are packed close, just like Haswell, but you also have more cores. More cores with the same power output = more thermal energy being generated and output. As a result, on average, temperatures with an identical cooling solution are higher than their Haswell counterparts.

*As with all overclocking, you can go as high as your cooling permits - which is why Dry Ice and LN2 can be used to reach mammoth clock speeds and use insane voltages. The basic thing to take from this, is that with equivalent voltages and clock speeds, the Haswell-E processor will generate more "waste" energy than the Haswell processor. The extra "waste" energy needs to be removed via cooling by heatsink. If you use the same heatsink and cooling, the temps will be higher as the heatsink and cooling have to deal with more energy.

Thanks for nice info!

But i have 2 question now after reading all that info..

You say push it if the temp under 70c let we say i have overkill loop and low ambient temp I can push it to 1.4v for 24/7 ? many say the voltage kill the cpu while the temp not ?

also you talk about the temp for haswell vs haswell-E you mean at the same clock or just stock vs stock ? If the later one then its not 100% right

I have the 4790k under Noctua D14 and just upgrade to the 5820k using the same cooler and my temp went down around 10-15c if not more

maybe because 4.4ghz vs 3.6ghz ? also keep in mind 88W with crappy TIM vs 140W with excellent TIM ?
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Keep core voltage below 1.3v and temperature below 70c if possible. You are right to ask that question after reading Desolutional's post, but the answer is no - 1.4v is still unnecessarily excessive for 24/7 use. This is largely because where as temperatures help, it'll do nothing for the gates on your CPU when you're smashing it with current at those voltages.
Edited by Silent Scone - 10/18/15 at 12:55pm
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Keep core voltage below 1.3v and temperature below 70c if possible. You are right to ask that question after reading Desolutional's post, but the answer is no - 1.4v is still unnecessarily excessive for 24/7 use. This is largely because where as temperatures help, it'll do nothing for the gates on your CPU when you're smashing it with current at those voltages.

Thanks for answering my question +rep! smile.gif
   
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Just a quick snap of temperature with the sig configuration on my loop when running 4x overkill. Case ambient 21c, water 22c



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Ok I'm sitting in Linux Mint 17.2 now, stressapptest is install, ran the default and passed, but whats the best way to run it, I have 16GB ram...

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