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post #14051 of 22233
Even prime 27.9 takes quite a bit more power than aida or prime 26.6, 165w vs 145w/150w on my system. AiSuite shows the power in the EPU section.




I'm not going to run un-neutered prime 28.7 ever again. My oc survived about 5 minutes of it before when I was stabilizing it. That's enough of that for a lifetime.
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Yeah well everything is back to normal, the tweaking of the VCCIN and a few other voltages helped a lot with x265 Benchmark as you saw.
VCCIN Bios=1.940v, idle 1.920 - 1.930v, Stressing 1.904v
Vdroop at 95%
VCCIO was set to 1.060v default is 1.050v (should I leave it or change it back to Auto?)
CPU 4.3Ghz@1.190v offset +0.005v
Cache 3.3Ghz@1.060v offset +0.001
Ram is 1.3v "tweaked from Memory try it!"
VCCSA hasn't been fiddle with yet will get to it soon, I've been out food shopping with the wife biggrin.gif


Update:
Dropped the VCCSA back to the 1.050v setting I had before (left everything else the same)
Got an inconsistent fps like I was before using Auto VCCSA, oh and a lower score:

VCCSA 1.050v



VCCSA Auto (1.15v):


I wouldn't keep looking to that for that reason, background activity can knock the score out quite easily.
post #14053 of 22233
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Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post

I wouldn't keep looking to that for that reason, background activity can knock the score out quite easily.

True.
It just seemed so consistent using the Auto VCCSA, I could reboot multiple times, run the benchmark again and get the same score as I previously did.
Lowering the vccsa gives me differences in the results and a inconsistent score during reboots and runs.
I kept the same vccin voltage (1.940v) and same ram voltages.
It's been a interesting test, certainly got me scratching my head on how these MSI boards handle voltages, I've tried every voltage from 0.85v to 1.07v all did the same thing or froze lol.

Seems to be a clear advantage of having a oc socket, more direct power to the cpu so you don't need to compensate as much.
Edited by schoolofmonkey - 11/3/15 at 12:05am
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4.6Ghz 100 strap, 4300 cache


Still good! Same settings as always.

1.195Vcore in BIOS

1.88VCCIN L6 LLC.

1.19V cache.

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Pretty much the same setting I have for 4.5/4.2. biggrin.gif

Some fine tuning to end up with this, rounded up to 1.17 in the bios.

That make me think that never actually tried cache at 4.3, always did 4.2 then 4.4 and 4.5. thinking.gif

Btw, I don't think one should use H265 as a consistency test for vsa fine tuning, seriously 8.2 to 8.3 is within margin of errors to me. Even tried with killing all the usual background apps I always have running and it's the same. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
In this bunch of screen I did from 0.950 to 1.050 vsa and there was no difference at all








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Pretty much the same setting I have for 4.5/4.2. biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Some fine tuning to end up with this, rounded up to 1.17 in the bios.

That make me think that never actually tried cache at 4.3, always did 4.2 then 4.4 and 4.5. thinking.gif

Btw, I don't think one should use H265 as a consistency test for vsa fine tuning, seriously 8.2 to 8.3 is within margin of errors to me. Even tried with killing all the usual background apps I always have running and it's the same. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
In this bunch of screen I did from 0.950 to 1.050 vsa and there was no difference at all









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Yeah I tend to agree.
Dropped everything but VCCIN which was left at 1.940v 95% vdroop, back to where it was prior, 4.3Ghz@1.2v, VCCSA 1.050v, Ram 1.25v and it passed 2 hours of stressapptest, 1 hour of realbench and 2 hours of AIDA64.
I'd call it stable, but it was before doing a death run of Prime95.

I just found it interesting with the VCCSA adjustment and x265 benchmark, it isn't a clear indicator that the SA is stable either because it does run through fine just with the instances finishing a little further apart, but in a reasonable "margin of error", less now since the VCCIN bump.
And honestly who here would feel comfortable running with a +0.36v offset on their SA..lol..

Prime95 28.7 = 185w power draw...ouch
See I told you help others or kill a CPU, nearly did both.. wink.gif
post #14058 of 22233
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Yeah I tend to agree.
Dropped everything but VCCIN which was left at 1.940v 95% vdroop, back to where it was prior, 4.3Ghz@1.2v, VCCSA 1.050v, Ram 1.25v and it passed 2 hours of stressapptest, 1 hour of realbench and 2 hours of AIDA64.
I'd call it stable, but it was before doing a death run of Prime95.

I just found it interesting with the VCCSA adjustment and x265 benchmark, it isn't a clear indicator that the SA is stable either because it does run through fine just with the instances finishing a little further apart, but in a reasonable "margin of error", less now since the VCCIN bump.
And honestly who here would feel comfortable running with a +0.36v offset on their SA..lol..

Prime95 28.7 = 185w power draw...ouch
See I told you help others or kill a CPU, nearly did both.. wink.gif

As I've said to you before, there comes a point where you just have to use the machine. System Agent can be tricky, but finding stability with one or two tests will bring this in close enough as long as other aspects of the overclock are stable.

For instance

Set VCCSA incrementally from 0.900v up until stability is found with known good memory settings.

GSAT 2 hours > Pass

Post stability issue > 10mv increment

AD Hang on OS hand off > 10mv increment

If unsure at this point retest GSAT, then HCI.


Much more than this you risk wasting too much time - soak test settings. It's nice to know you're tuned in, but it's really not a crime if you are a little more than 20mv outside of what the system would be comfortable with
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Pretty much the same setting I have for 4.5/4.2. biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Some fine tuning to end up with this, rounded up to 1.17 in the bios.
That make me think that never actually tried cache at 4.3, always did 4.2 then 4.4 and 4.5. thinking.gif

Btw, I don't think one should use H265 as a consistency test for vsa fine tuning, seriously 8.2 to 8.3 is within margin of errors to me. Even tried with killing all the usual background apps I always have running and it's the same. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
In this bunch of screen I did from 0.950 to 1.050 vsa and there was no difference at all








I was under the impression that the FPS for all parts should be identical? Or it actually doesn't matter as long as the test complete successfully? Not much information at the author website though.
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I checked out Kimir's screenshot because I wanted to make sure of something. In his mainboard tab of CPU - Z, is link width and max supported equate to each other at x16. I am running the MSI X99A SLI Krait Edition motherboard with a 5820k and an EVGA GTX 970 FTW.EDITION.

My max supports reads 16 but the link width reads 8. Same with GPU-Z, even after running the render test, GPU-Z shows PCIE 3.0X16@3.0X8.

I have contacted MSI and EVGA about this and, not to sound like a jerk, got the "head up ass" run around from both companies. Obviously, and I wouldn't even bring this up as an issue if I was this "out there", my card is in the top slot for PCI-E, in which the manual even states this is the x16 slot, along with the 3rd slot which I also tried since I have a single card, to the same outcome.

I am running nothing else in PCI-E. Everything in BIOS is set to max peformance, all power saving is disabled, even my C-States, and the only control I have of the PCI-E slots is to turn groups from Auto, Gen1, Gen2, or Gen3. I have tried every possible combination out of desperation but again to no avail. Obviously slot 1 is again set to Gen 3.

I know the differences between x8 and x16 are negligible, however this is a major thorn in my side. The only.thing I can think of is that somehow the on board USB 3.0 or 3.1 is utilizing Gen 3 PCI-E, but there is nothing in BIOS that points me to this, nor lets.me.change anything if this is the case.

For the record, even BIOS is detecting x8 on a x16 lane. Despite the card being brand new in box and purchased a month ago for this rig specifically, I took it out and cleaned both sides of the contacts with rubbing alcohol and made sure this card was seated properly. No change.

I have tried researching this problem but most people end up having the card in the wrong slot or their BIOS isn't up to date, I'm not one of those guys.

There is something I am overlooking and any help shed on this would be greatly appreciated!!
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