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Typically if your core and the Ring/Cache (they are the same thing) is on default/auto, the ratio follows the core overclock setting and can cause instability. It is best to set it to the manual default of the CPU (the specs for the 5820k show that to be 3.3GHz) and go from there.

According to your bios there is only core and ring voltage settings, but again, ring and cache are the same thing.

Workshop: How to overclock Haswell processors This link may help with some of the terminology. There is a lot of info to consider when overclocking. Best to do your research.

Also how are you verifying stability and temperatures? Typically a stress program would show your instabilities well before they would show up in everyday programs.
I'm using Core Temp for Temps, and I'm using Cinebench to test stability in the short term. I'm using Vegas rendering, Recording games with DXTORY 12 threads x264, for stability testing, based on regular non synthetics. Intel Burn Test for extra testing.

The thing is, I'm seeing intel XTU show that the cache is x30 no matter what the core clock is. What voltage should I put the cache at? I saw 1.2volts max?

Also what's the difference between Blackscreening, and Blue screen? My system never Blue Screens, it only black screens then goes back to the bios making me chose default or a previously saved setting.

So I should go into the BIOS and set Ring Ratio to 33, CPU Ratio to 42. Core Voltage to 1.300, Ring Voltage to 1.200?
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Originally Posted by MissHaswellE View Post

OK guys I took the screenshots of my BIOS for helping with overclocking this awful 5820K.

It wont go past 4.2ghz 100% stable. It will do 4.3ghz but it occasionally blackscreens and resets the overclock, regardless of the voltage. It does it most often when rendering/editing with Vegas, but it sometimes does it while gaming, and recording game footage.

Shouldn't need anywhere near 2v input or 1.2v ring for what your running.

I'd manually set everything to stock voltages and see specifically what needs to be adjusted to stabilize 4.2GHz then try to work up from there.
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My biggest problem with this overclocking thing is the damn terminology that MSI uses is different from any other manufacturer. There's guides for asus and gigabyte boards but none of the terms or features seem to freaking translate over.

Ok so Ring Ratio is on the BIOS directly. I've only ever left it Default, and it seems to default to 3.0ghz. Raising it to 3.3ghz would make it more stable?
What is Cache ratio on this BIOS?
Also I'm not using XMP at all, it's disabled. But I think I can set my RAM frequency. Should I step it down to the next setting? These are kingston Fury Series DDR4 2133mhz, can I drop them down to 1866mhz in an attempt to stablize the core then?
The cache its defaulting to x30 according to Intel XTU.
There's core voltage, Cache Voltage, and also Ring Voltage?
This motherboard has me lost as to which setting is which.

Ring and cache ratio are effectively synonymous.

I don't see a separate ring/cache voltage in your screens. The L3 cache uses the same voltage as the ring bus that connects the cores, L3 cache, and system agent, so ring and cache voltage are almost always the same thing on this platform.

SA is the memory controller, PCI-E controller, and other miscellaneous IO...basically the majority of the CPU that's not the cores, ring, or L3.
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I'm using Core Temp for Temps, and I'm using Cinebench to test stability in the short term. I'm using Vegas rendering, Recording games with DXTORY 12 threads x264, for stability testing, based on regular non synthetics. Intel Burn Test for extra testing.

The thing is, I'm seeing intel XTU show that the cache is x30 no matter what the core clock is. What voltage should I put the cache at? I saw 1.2volts max?

Also what's the difference between Blackscreening, and Blue screen? My system never Blue Screens, it only black screens then goes back to the bios making me chose default or a previously saved setting.

So I should go into the BIOS and set Ring Ratio to 33, CPU Ratio to 42. Core Voltage to 1.300, Ring Voltage to 1.200?

If you are having trouble getting past 4.2GHz in relatively mild real world tasks like editing with Vegas or playing a game and recording video something is seriously wrong with your settings, or you do indeed have one of the worst 5820k's I've ever heard of.

3.3GHz cache/ring shouldn't need more than 1.05v or so ring voltage.

Too much voltage can cause instability almost as easily as too little, especially with regard to things like input, SA or IO, though too much ring or core can also be problematic. It's best to start as low as practical.

If your system is spontaneously rebooting without encountering a blue screen or other error in the OS, it's generally a sign of a more serious instability issue than a BSOD would be. Having the OC fail to be applied is also a sign of instability; often this is related to failing memory training (which can be caused by all sorts of issues).
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It's stable at 4.2ghz. I'ts slightly unstable at 4.3ghz. Its 100% not stable at 4.4ghz or above.
I posted my BIOS setting so people could see if I was doing something wrong, or if they could show me what settings i needed to change.

I've copied settings from various guides and asked a bunch of people, I can't seem to figure out what exactly is going wrong with this chip.
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Sorry about the double post but, I put the cache at x30, cache voltage at 1.050, Core at x43, 1.300volts. Adjusted the current limit to 110% and then stress tested using Cinebench 3x, Intel XTU stress test for 5 minutes, then AIDA64 extreme, with CPU, FPU, cache, system memory, and GPU for 22 minutes.
No blue screen or crash, or anything.
It showed a tiny bit of throttling, but 6% or less.

So I guess I have a 4.3ghz setting that seems to work ok right now. But I'll have to do some testing with vegas to see if it crashes during vegas, and DXTORY x264 while recording games.
I'll report back later.

Edit: Crashes 2 minutes into a Sony Vegas render.
Edited by MissHaswellE - 8/7/16 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by MissHaswellE View Post

Sorry about the double post but, I put the cache at x30, cache voltage at 1.050, Core at x43, 1.300volts. Adjusted the current limit to 110% and then stress tested using Cinebench 3x, Intel XTU stress test for 5 minutes, then AIDA64 extreme, with CPU, FPU, cache, system memory, and GPU for 22 minutes.
No blue screen or crash, or anything.
It showed a tiny bit of throttling, but 6% or less.

So I guess I have a 4.3ghz setting that seems to work ok right now. But I'll have to do some testing with vegas to see if it crashes during vegas, and DXTORY x264 while recording games.
I'll report back later.

Edit: Crashes 2 minutes into a Sony Vegas render.

Cinebench is not a good stability test. I can run like 5 loops of CB15 at 1.15V @ 4.6 when it actually needed 1.19V + on the old HWE.

Use X265 4K Pmode 2 overkill threads for a proper stress test. Helps you tune Load performance with VCCIN also
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Thank you man smile.gif

What resolution Tablet are you using? Or what tablet even? smile.gif

I picked up a Le Pan Mini from BestBuy, the default res on that is 1024x768 thumb.gif

post #20098 of 22287
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Originally Posted by MissHaswellE View Post

Sorry about the double post but, I put the cache at x30, cache voltage at 1.050, Core at x43, 1.300volts. Adjusted the current limit to 110% and then stress tested using Cinebench 3x, Intel XTU stress test for 5 minutes, then AIDA64 extreme, with CPU, FPU, cache, system memory, and GPU for 22 minutes.
No blue screen or crash, or anything.
It showed a tiny bit of throttling, but 6% or less.

So I guess I have a 4.3ghz setting that seems to work ok right now. But I'll have to do some testing with vegas to see if it crashes during vegas, and DXTORY x264 while recording games.
I'll report back later.

Edit: Crashes 2 minutes into a Sony Vegas render.

I run cinibench once to verify initial stability. After that i will run realbench stress with full memory, but i will uncheck the gpu(s) when i am only testing cpu for a minimum of 15 min. If that passes you can run again with gpu(s) left checked if you like. That is a good minimum for me.
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Guys I just got a 5960x with batch number J606B376. Any Info on that particular batch? Not one Google result. I can't test it just yet
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Guys I just got a 5960x with batch number J606B376. Any Info on that particular batch? Not one Google result. I can't test it just yet

My new J615B029 5960x does 4.7GHZ CPU at 1.25v and 4.4GHZ cache at 1.2v, and will do my 8x4GB RAM kit at 3200MHZ. Good luck to you. smile.gif
    
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