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post #2391 of 21363
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Originally Posted by Mydog View Post

I totally agree but I still see people who claims the OC isn't stable before it can run for XX hours on Prime or IBT etc and no other benchmarks can get the CPU hotter therefor stress the CPU better which to me is nonsense. I don't have the technical knowledge to explain why using those kind of software are no good.

Hello

I agree this is stated quite often but it seems as time goes by fewer users are sticking to this flawed assumption. Stability with Prime type unities is only valid if those are the only programs you are using. They apply a load and use a set of instructions few will ever encounter in real life use. And in all honesty neither the CPUs nor motherboards are designed for this type of torture. Since Sandy Bridge I have been able to configure systems to pass Prime type utilities but they will not successfully make it through a 6 hour render in 3ds Max. This is why testing with the programs and games you normally use should be considered the final test of stability. However, Prime is good if one wishes to test the capabilities of the cooling system.
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it's just for a cpu-z submission and it's frozen....

... and really good for nothing else. tongue.gif
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4.6 CPU, 4.6 cache, water-cooled 2hours RB pass:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I gotta switch off 2 gpus, otherwise... sauna.
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post #2394 of 21363
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... and really good for nothing else. tongue.gif

Pub talk? tongue.gif
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Testing out my 2x 5960x's before I head off to the gym. Only worked on 1 so far. Wont boot into windows at 1.3v at 4.5ghz, will boot into windows at 1.35v at 4.5ghz. Just did a Super quick RealBench run of 10 mins and didnt crash, but really means nothing. Going to fiddle more with it after work tonight.

I am keeping pretty much everything on Auto, at memory is at JEDEC spec of 2133. Going to first dial in my CPU then work on RAM.

Is it worth it from the start to set input voltage to 1.9 and LLC to like 7 or 8? or should i not touch those yet.

EDIT: Running RVE bios 0007
     
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post #2396 of 21363
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Does anyone know of a good solution for cooling VRM's on the X99 deluxe. I am trying to find a fan with a bracket that will allow me to point it directly on the top caps above my socket. My biggest challenge is that my radiator and fans leave me no room to get to creative. I need a fan and bracket that will allow me to get creative. I find it hard to believe that everyone over clocking above 4.0 is using test benches and since the Asus rep's are recommending putting a fan on the VRM for oc's above 4.0 (see oc guide by Raja) someone out there must of come up with something to use for that purpose.
some times you can "bend/shape one of the two fan ram cooling bridges to fit a vrm area.
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Nice one! Just one thing though, are you adamant those temps are right? As core temp for me is out by a mile

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Originally Posted by Mydog View Post

I've tested both Coretemp and Realtemp and they are very similar, you have to use Coretemp RC7 tho.

did you guys change the CPU temp setting in bios from 105 to 85C?
Edited by Jpmboy - 9/24/14 at 6:48am
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75C or so on hottest core fully loaded during this run on my water loop.

What's your raddage?
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Still think that's not really necessary but look at what MSI did for their z97 XPower with the fan bracket and fan. I know the fan is available separately, maybe the bracket is too?

Same on x99s XPOWER AC

http://www.eteknix.com/msi-x99s-xpower-ac-lga-2011-3-motherboard-review/
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I totally agree but I still see people who claims the OC isn't stable before it can run for XX hours on Prime or IBT etc and no other benchmarks can get the CPU hotter therefor stress the CPU better which to me is nonsense. I don't have the technical knowledge to explain why using those kind of software are no good.

Praz nailed it really. The newer versions of Prime load in a way that they are only safe to run at near stock settings. The server processors actually downclock when AVX2 is detected to retain their TDP rating. On the desktop we're free to play and the thing most people don't know is how much current these routines can generate. It can be lethal for a CPU to see that level of current for prolonged periods.

As for the universal validity of various stability testing programs, that's a more difficult question to answer without using illustrations to simplify what occurs at the electrical level on some of the associated buses.

Being brief as possible and focusing on DRAM transfer as an example: Data is moved around the system in high and low logic or signal states. The timing of these systems and those that rely on them needs to be matched closely enough for data to be moved around and interpreted correctly.A burst of data may contain a series of 1s and 0s. The 1s pull more current as they require defined voltage level that is above 0. Each data pattern has a different effect on the timing margin. Some eat into the timing margin more than others (I may illustrate the theory of this in a future guide). If a given stress test does not generate patterns in a way that eats into the timing budget sufficiently to represent how the system is used, the stress test won't be as useful to the end-user.

That's why most stress test programs alternate between different data pattern types. Depending on how effective the rotation is, and how well that pattern causes issues for the system timing margin, it will, or will not, catch potential for instability. So it's wise not to hang one's hat on a single test type. Evaluate what your needs are from the system and try to run a variety of tools to ensure the system is stable in various ways. We also need to bear in mind that some stress tests only focus on a single part of the system, while others will impact multiple areas at once.

Seasoned users usually find a systematic way that leads them from stress tests that focus on individual areas to those that hit the entire system as part of their test regimen. Ultimately, this all comes down to what your requirements are and using enough testing to confirm reasonable stability for the system in its intended usage scenario.

We coded Realbench to generate stress with real-world apps. It's a useful tool for people that encode, render or crunch numbers with their systems. However, it's not the only method out there - there are many tools to evaluate system stability that are perfectly valid.

-Raja
Edited by Raja@ASUS - 9/24/14 at 7:40am
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