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I am started to consider moving from my i4770k to a 2011-3 - I can't afford or justify the 5960X so I started to look at the 5930K and then I came to this thread and saw some very very good numbers out of the 5820K.

In terms of overclock, I guess I want to push it a bit (4.5+ hopefully) but only on air and water. This would be in a everyday machine used for video editing and rendering, high res photo work and gaming thirdly, though I do like my games to run at max where possible (though I know this is a little more of a GPU thing). I'd look to reuse my Asus 970 Strix and possibly add another - waiting on this to see what AMD do.

I'm open to recommendations and advice smile.gif
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Are the BIOS memory stick presets(on the asus v rampage) for all the Micron, Hynix and Samsung sticks Ok to use? Or should I avoid them? I'm not experienced with OCing memory other than just changing the frequency/voltage lol.

I'm looking to run my sticks at its rated 2400Mhz speed, but I want to thighten the timings & go CR 1

Also do the same "rules" apply for DDR4 as for DDR3 where CL+tRCD+tRP = tRAS ? e.g 15-15-15-35
And how should I be adjusting the Row Refresh Cycle Time(tRFC) of 313clocks, any "rules" for that one?
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Hey,
which free tool would you guys recommend to test stability with Haswell E?

I know Prime95 shouldn't be used, and Aida64 isn't free unfortunately frown.gif (Trial version expired already)

Prime is the best tool to detect failure fast.
RealBench and Aida detects only messed system, I can run realbench/aida for 10 hours and crash on every games or code compiling.
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Are the BIOS memory stick presets(on the asus v rampage) for all the Micron, Hynix and Samsung sticks Ok to use? Or should I avoid them? I'm not experienced with OCing memory other than just changing the frequency/voltage lol.

I'm looking to run my sticks at its rated 2400Mhz speed, but I want to thighten the timings & go CR 1

Also do the same "rules" apply for DDR4 as for DDR3 where CL+tRCD+tRP = tRAS ? e.g 15-15-15-35
And how should I be adjusting the Row Refresh Cycle Time(tRFC) of 313clocks, any "rules" for that one?

Memory profiles depend from used memory kit. It's not guaranteed they will work. Sometimes are working, sometimes not. At least on my kits some profiles are not working. With micron memory were not working at all. I didn't check all as I usually set everything manually anyway.
I'm just used to see that memory profiles on ASUS ROG boards are prepared on a cherry picked memory kits and they are usually not working on weaker kits without some adjustments. Profiles from ASRock boards are usually better.

There were never rules about memory timings. All depends from used IC. Check profiles ( just load them without saving ) and you will see how they look like.
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Interestingly though it didn't flag my cache instability up to 1000%. AIDA found it in under an hour. This is with the cache test on its own. I ended up adding an additional 50mv onto cache because I had a couple of exceptions over Christmas (0c errors). This is with the latest stable non beta version.
I'll give that a try on what I have loaded today. I thought with all boxes checked in AIDA that the cache test would run as usual...?
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I already said that memory ratio x30 and x32 are working on ASUS boards in my previous post. This was only an answer to other post where I said that single memory kits on the market have XMP profile for 100bclk strap above 2666 clock and these kits have info that manufacturer recommends ASUS ( or maybe RVE ) boards. Like Corsair 3200 kit has XMP profile 32 x100bclk while G.Skill 2666/3000 is using only 125bclk ( I don't remember what was in G.Skill 3200 kits ). So when you buy a non-ASUS board then it's not guaranteed you will run any memory at XMP settings when it's using 100 bclk profile.

{snip}.
blinksmiley.gif huh? I think it's the intel IMC microcode that sets the memory dividers for each ram frequency. 3000 on 100 strap is not easy to get working on ASUS MBs either, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Asus also does not "guarantee" that memory OCs will work either (anything above 2133 - right?) since that is really a CPU issue. The gskill 3200 kit is strap 100...cause that's what the intel IMC microcode has working best for that frequency/divider. GSkill's 3000 kit is 125 'cause that's the working memory divider. However, guys like Praz and Raja get 3000 on 100 to go, but it takes tweaking and know-how beyond mine.

My (very early release) corsair 2800 LPX kit has XMP 2800 at bclk 129... it runs 3000/125, 3200/100, Lent the kit to my neighbor with an R5E/5930K and we couldn't get 3200 to work well at all (very frustrsating). Worst IMC I've come across. redface.gif

@Frankz - I've used the hynix presets... timings are very agressive and some do not make any sense in terms of dependent timings... like, tRAS=CAS+tRCD+tRTP. we can set a number much lower tRAS and have a working stable system, however what's happening regarding timing substitution by the MB microcode (during training) is not transparent. There was a discussion of this on the x99 thread a couple of months ago w/ test data.

leave your 2400 stock primary timings as is, change to T1 and add ~10-15mV vdram to active channels. VSA becomes important with memory OC on the x99 platform... and higher is NOT always better. If that 1T passes HCI memtest (3-500%) lower each of the primart timings one notch and add vdram. Although we do not have a lot of history with DDR4 overvolting, I've been running 1.365-1.38V for months (since launch). my 24/7 is 2800 OCd to 3200@1.365V. I have a T-probe in the ram stick closest to the I/O panel (least cooled) and memory T never exceeds 35C (open bench rig tho). thumb.gif
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Memory profiles depend from used memory kit. It's not guaranteed they will work. Sometimes are working, sometimes not. At least on my kits some profiles are not working. With micron memory were not working at all. I didn't check all as I usually set everything manually anyway.
I'm just used to see that memory profiles on ASUS ROG boards are prepared on a cherry picked memory kits and they are usually not working on weaker kits without some adjustments. Profiles from ASRock boards are usually better.

There were never rules about memory timings. All depends from used IC. Check profiles ( just load them without saving ) and you will see how they look like.
Alright thx,
The kit I got (G skill 4x4gb 2400) uses Samsung chips, tested it yesterday, I tried out the samsung single sided 4x4gb 2400 setting but the preset was for 1.5v? which imo seems a bit too high for DDR4, I read somewhere that it's advised to stay under 1.35v. So I guess i'll just adjust the main timings myself & leave all the rest on auto as I don't know enough about that

@JpmboyWill use your method & see where it takes me tongue.gif thanks!
One thing though, about the VSA, what's the max "safe" voltage for it? Just so i know what voltage not to go over
Edited by Frankz - 1/13/15 at 7:47am
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try to keep VSA between 0.9 and 1.15V. "Safe" voltages are being "learned" since this is a new-ish platform. I've not had to go above 1.00V. Check with Silent Scone, I think he explored this some. Remember - this is OCN... not SVN (safe voltage network) biggrin.gif

like I said - VSa on X99... more is not always better.
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try to keep VSA between 0.9 and 1.15V. "Safe" voltages are being "learned" since this is a new-ish platform. I've not had to go above 1.00V. Check with Silent Scone, I think he explored this some. Remember - this is OCN... not SVN (safe voltage network) biggrin.gif

like I said - VSa on X99... more is not always better.

what is the reason why 1.2V is not considered safe?
my deluxe, with LPX2800 and VCSSA to auto, set VCSSA to 1.250V (2800MHz 127.5BLCK), really don't think that asus wants to damage our CPU with Auto settings smile.gif

I run 1.2V since november no problem,
1.2V is the only way to boot correctly with 2666MHz 13-14-14-28-1T on my system, so I use that voltage.
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Remember - this is OCN... not SVN (safe voltage network) biggrin.gif
Yea my bad! haha biggrin.gif
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Yea my bad! haha biggrin.gif

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