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post #11 of 19
Yes, a horrible, dirty solution, but it does work. Most of the time >.>
Windows 8 may have been made with more than 1 brain cell at work, so it's possible that it might just jump to the next offered DHCP. I have not tested this recently, so cannot tell you for sure.
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Once you get all the VLAN stuff sorted, you still need internet access. Supposedly OpenWRT or DD-WRT are capable of secondary interfaces part of a VLAN, and that they can do NAT for those networks too, and can put ACLs in place to prevent routing between both VLANs.

Looking at my DD-WRT page I can easily make another DHCP server, giving it another IP provided by the schools dhcp server shouldn't be a problem. Otherwise I guess you can leach off the first DHCP server too. But Atheros chipsets in DD-WRT don't get the VLan support you get with broadcom routers. Open-WRT on the other hand will have no problem. And you can pick what virtual network you want the wireless connection on. So I know OpenWRT will work.


I'm pretty sure TP-Link's software has guest mode and I would assume that it keep it locked away from the rest of the network?

DD-WRT is pretty easy and simple to install, but I'm not 100% sure that it will work as I never tested it out.

OpenWRT on the other hand is not easy for a noobie. After installing it you will have no web interface, gotta telnet in and set a password. Once that is over with you can then SSH into openwrt, which is needed to install LuCI. LuCI is the web interface (GUI) so after that is installed and configured to run at start up, you can now log into the router via the web interface for easy configuration. Once this is all done you can install any Package you want (tons of software for OpenWRT), as well as configure a guest network to run off the School's DHCP server.
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Looking at my DD-WRT page I can easily make another DHCP server, giving it another IP provided by the schools dhcp server shouldn't be a problem. Otherwise I guess you can leach off the first DHCP server too. But Atheros chipsets in DD-WRT don't get the VLan support you get with broadcom routers. Open-WRT on the other hand will have no problem. And you can pick what virtual network you want the wireless connection on. So I know OpenWRT will work.


I'm pretty sure TP-Link's software has guest mode and I would assume that it keep it locked away from the rest of the network?

DD-WRT is pretty easy and simple to install, but I'm not 100% sure that it will work as I never tested it out.

OpenWRT on the other hand is not easy for a noobie. After installing it you will have no web interface, gotta telnet in and set a password. Once that is over with you can then SSH into openwrt, which is needed to install LuCI. LuCI is the web interface (GUI) so after that is installed and configured to run at start up, you can now log into the router via the web interface for easy configuration. Once this is all done you can install any Package you want (tons of software for OpenWRT), as well as configure a guest network to run off the School's DHCP server.

Sounds like OpenWRT might be the way to go then.
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OpenWRT Firmware for WR1043ND v2
http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/trunk/ar71xx/openwrt-ar71xx-generic-tl-wr1043nd-v2-squashfs-factory.bin

Putty Download, needed for Telnet/SSH.
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

First thing you want to do
http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/firstlogin

After you get SSH access you need to install LuCI for the GUI
http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/luci.essentials


This is pretty much all you need to install OpenWRT on your router, but this is something I can only recommend if you are willing to take the risk of doing so.

OpenWRT is not for those that want a easy to use Interface, but it is powerful and gets the job done.
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Easy way of doing this.
Also I don't think you can DHCP relay to 127.0.0.1. DHCP relay is meant to relay over another Layer 3 network. (Ex: DHCP Server on VLAN 1 while clients on VLAN 10)

I would say setup a Wireless AP with DHCP Server turned off and then it would run in bridge mode. Just connect the LAN port to the Internet. (For the guest AP)
For the second AP then setup the WAN port as a Gateway and that would provide the segregation you would like.
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Pointing a dhcp relay toward localhost sounds like a waste of cpu cycles, Windows by default times out when unable to locate a dhcp server and assigns an apipa address anyway.

You would really need multiple vlans to specify dhcp and non dhcp networks if you still wanted internet access for that segment as dhcp spans the broadcast domain for a subnet. Ideally you would bring this segment behind your router and restrict internal access through acl.

There are plenty of other security features I would implement before considering disabling dhcp as a 'security feature'

I would also suggest taking a look at your user agreement document, a lot of colleges restrict the use of switches and similar. It's really easy to see multiple mac addresses on an access port.



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Wow! Thanks for the massive respond count!
Just to make this clear: thanks for all the effort, but this wasn't that important smile.gif

The reason is quite simple complicated:

On my college-network "Kotnet", we need to login with our personal account (web-login on the local server) and it then attaches the login to our IP-adress.
In case of me, I'd like it to assign my "account-IP address" to my "personal LAN" and assign other IP addresses to each of the "guest network users".
For example: if I login with my laptop or phone, my router owns the IP address from KotNet and handles all the data for my phone, gaming PC and laptop under one external IP.

However, if an other college user from the next room logs into my guest network, he needs to get a personal IP from KotNet with his own login, so he doesn't drain my data-limit rolleyes.gif

Anyway, I'm gonna start repping the most valuable posts here thumb.gif

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All right, got my router yesterday and successfully installed OpenWRT.
Everything seems to be running well.

Where can I find a dummy-guide to setup a VLAN on for my Wi-Fi network?
Right now I have created/config'd:

2 Wi-Fi Networks:
- My "own" Wi-Fi Network (This is my "private" network. In the same LAN as my four wired connections linked to my router)
- "Guest" Network (This one needs to be a "Switch-Wireless-AP" connected to the WAN port of my router. This means that all traffic goes right to the WAN without my router even "looking at". e.g.: no DHCP, etc)

The wireless APs are set up, but I still need to config the part between the "".
Could anyone help me out with that? smile.gif

Thx!

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Hi there,

I have a little question about DHCP and guest networks:

I want to configure my router (TP-Link TL-WR1043ND V2) to have a wireless guest network that operates without DHCP (operates like a wireless switch), while my wired LAN and "personal" operate with DHCP.

So it would look this this:



Is this possible to setup?

-Xio

Maybe I'm just misinterpreting the question (the answers seem overly complicated), but isn't it just a question about making a VAP (Virtual Access Point), putting it on its own VLAN, and then disabling routing for that specific VLAN?
That way the VAP interacts directly with the college network, without having anything to do with your router (other than doing level 2 stuff).

Read here for an idea of what I'm talking about:
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Multiple_WLANs
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