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I recently made ​​an update to 1.9 (final), but I couldn't change any settings in the BIOS or they haven't been saved
had this problem already someone ?

bios 1.96 (beta) = no problem
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post #2132 of 3145
Back to the USB issue, it's definitely connected to the Intel driver as I uninstalled that on this board and it works fine when installing the logitech driver and rebooting even with the Via and Asmedia software/monitors installed and running.

Reinstalling the intel XHCI driver (latest from jan 29 2016!) brings the issue back again...

it's probably more to do with logitechs driver though, they last updated it in 2012 (for all OS's) and probably don't care about windows 7 support anymore :/
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Edited by Nephurus - 2/2/16 at 12:49am
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What do you guys recommend? X99A krait or the Gaming 7?
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Originally Posted by mksteez View Post

What do you guys recommend? X99A krait or the Gaming 7?

Depends what you want out of the board, what your requirements are, what you want to put in it...and if you want Intel LAN or Killer Ethernet, wired or wireless etc
post #2136 of 3145
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I feel you. I only have two cards (no M.2, no PCIE ssd) and I can only get the cards to run at x8. Which means this board is going in the garbage. Or maybe I just send to MSI...god this is getting tedious. If I have to swap another board in this will be the third time within a month.

So some interesting tidbits... Ever since you mentioned this I never really verified what speed my equipment was running at, I think just the sheer butthurt over spending 30 dollars on the fancy msi brigde to be limited to a gapped card layout... I didn't bother checking how anything was working and was going to accept based on the stupid manual how my devices were going to run.

So he're where things get weird, and someone else mentioned this too when they gapped two cards and tried to plug something up in the middle of them.

This was my setup when I originally posted in the thread. Pay attention to the descriptions at the bottom of the pictures.





I unplugged the m2 drive and the intel 750 last night because I was having some problems with windows booting which were completely unrelated. Mind you I was also dealing with 2-3 minute posts on every reboot.

Anyway If you gap the graphics cards the slot in the middle shows up as if you have another card plugged into it running at half speed. I originally thought that this would mean the top card was running at 16 and the second card was running at 8.

Boy was I wrong.

So I brought the machine back to work with me today to do some troubleshooting, one to fix this stupid ass long boot time because my 5 year old computer boots faster than my cream of the crop system sitting on my desk now... And because windows wouldn't work anymore.

Do not install the qualcom network management suite... alright one stupid ass problem eliminated. Now why aren't my cards running in x16.




Alright, so finally this setup right here I can run both of my cards in x16, and I have two slots in between both cards to utilize my Intel 750 drive and keep it out of PCIe 5 which basically shares lanes with the M.2 slot.

WRONG!!!

As soon as I put the intel 750 in-between the graphics cards (no pictures) the intel drive showed up in both pcie_2 and pcie_3 at x4 allocating 8 lanes to the damn thing thus knocking down the video card in slot 4 to x8 mad.gifmad.gifmad.gifmad.gif







So I decided to shove the Intel 750 in the first pci slot, the 980ti in the 2nd slot (see how it occupies pcie_3 at x8 as well), the other 980 in slot 4 and now pcie_5 is free.

What this ultimately means is one graphics card will run at x16, one at x8 (although hopefully MSI fixes lane assignments with their next bios or something. and I can force x16, either way it doesn't matter 8 is still PLENTY FAST for these cards.

All I really care about is my overpriced storage working at x4 on all fronts.

I could've put the 2 graphics cards in the top slots now that I think about it but I also didn't want the 980ti's blowing heat down onto all of the hard drives.

Hopefully anyone else having issues with card speeds checks out the motherboard explorer or whatever the hell it's called in the bios. (lower right hand corner) to see what is being assigned to what and at x speeds when it's plugged in.

It's been a while since I've built a computer and actually cared how fast the components were running or optimized. But for some reason now with everything the way it is the machine is booting up super fast now instead of 3 minutes. I'll be chopping up a video shortly to show the crap I was dealing with in windows.

Edited by om1kron - 2/1/16 at 6:20pm
post #2137 of 3145
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Originally Posted by bleets View Post

As per this pic the top two slots should have pins running all the way, only the bottom two are wired for up to x8


Alright, so m2 shares pci lanes with either the slot above it, or the slot below it. Anything plugged into whichever pci lane it shares will nerf the m2 drive to x2.

Also pay attention in board explorer if a single card is showing up in 2 slots as x8, meaning remove the external sound card if you have it in anywhere also with the video cards in the system. What I explained in my post with all the pictures is sometimes the bios is just being Oprah Winfrey and giving pci lanes to everyone. you get a pci lane and you get a pci lane, you don't need two but have two anyway.

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I think a good rule of thumb is if you're using m2 is hold off on installing all other components (you don't even need the m2 plugged in) check out the board explorer in the bios, and look at what pci lane availability the mobo is going to give you per slot, start plugging one thing in at a time and see whats getting assigned lanes and whats not. And then proceed to build computer or blow brains out.
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I understand your frustration, but this is well documented in the respective manuals for each motherboard. Just look at the PCIe setup table (that has been posted several times), and you will find which speeds the slot will run at.

The only thing that surprised me is the fact that any PCIe device inserted in a 16x slot will be assigned the same amount of lanes, even if it's only a 1x card. I can understand why, but I wish that it would've been specified in the manual that they by 3-way mean any PCIe card, not only graphics card (which I thought it applied to).

Figured it out when my graphics card dumped down to 8x when I plugged my Wifi PCIe card into one of the 16x slots...
Edited by bkvamme - 2/2/16 at 2:43pm
post #2139 of 3145
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Originally Posted by bkvamme View Post

I understand your frustration, but this is well documented in the respective manuals for each motherboard. Just look at the PCIe setup table (that has been posted several times), and you will find which speeds the slot will run at.

You make it sound like that was not referenced previously in any of my posts, and also the manual does not explain or tell you to anticipate not being able to use open pci slots for devices or having it randomly assign an occupied slot and the one next to it that's not occupied pci lanes causing a device to lose lanes.
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The only thing that surprised me is the fact that any PCIe device inserted in a 16x slot will be assigned the same amount of lanes, even if it's only a 1x card. I can understand why, but I wish that it would've been specified in the manual that they by 3-way mean any PCIe card, not only graphics card (which I thought it applied to).



It also shows every configuration possible with the motherboard assuming that you're going to by default shove the first and most powerful graphics card in slot 1 and NEVER use slot 3. It encourages you to put something into 5 at the cost of reducing the speed of an m2 (if you choose to go that route.)
post #2140 of 3145
if you can stay away from the killer nic's they're a pos to put it nicely even their regular driver has been causing issues for me so i'm straight reverting to installing my intel nic that i had laying around from another build that had it's network port busted (notorious realtek bug on that board and a 20$ card fixed it XD)

honestly when paying 420$+ for a board you shouldn't need to have to deal with the garbage that's killer networks
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