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post #10521 of 10534
Well, I would go X99 with a 40 lane CPU but on aircooling 3 out of 4 were running at 91°C no matter what I tried. #4 wherever it was, probably the very bottom, was running around 71°C but I got no idea where it was. Folding Client and Afterburner were showing different boards in different locations. Folding isn't that important to me. I will not even consider the purchase of four watercooling blocks and backplates at over $150 each board for something that I see no results for. Not now nor have I ever seen anything useful come out of Folding. If it did they're keeping it very, very quiet. If they did, it might make me inclinded to spend more of my fixed disability income on electricity. I refuse to Fold for EVGA again. They play that carrot and stick routine but they made the stick so long that the carrot looks like a pea and I hate peas. EVGA still gets their tax break for a documented contribution to medical research and I just get a higher electric bill to get the same $5 to $10 EVGA bucks that I can only spend at EVGA. Cha-ching!!! They are NOT selling us Folders upgrade parts at cost so they are making money by making us buy overpriced parts directly from them. BTW, I never got a decent video board from them! They are stable at stock clocks but that's all you can expect. I always wanted a Classified because I had always heard they were monsters, king of the beasts, best of the best but I must have waited too long because the 980 ti Classified is Voltage locked and won't budge without extra voltage controlling software that I have yet to see take my voltage higher than 1.212 whereas my MSI boards will top out at 1.275 and OC like a bandit. 1640 MHZ stable is what I call a real overclock for a GTX-980 no matter who makes it. Another thing to watch out for is instead of scrapping or repairing a Classified or FTW video board that is basically broken, EVGA openly states that these boards will not operate stable at the advertised speeds, they downclock them to reference clock speeds and sell them as Classified "REF" or FTW "DT"(detuned). They actually convince buyers that they are doing them a favor since these boards still have 14+3 power phases or 10+2 phases. That's like selling a Corvette that can't go from Zero to 60 in the advertised 4.8 seconds(or whatever) and putting an Impala V8 engine in it and saying it's the same thing. We're doing you a favor by lowering the price. It still has bucket seats and 4-wheel independent suspension just like a real Corvette. Anybody else see something wrong with this?
Edited by Zuhl3156 - 4/21/17 at 8:32am
post #10522 of 10534
Well, the short answer is "Yes" but despite being much larger expenditures, the EVGA and Corvette examples bother me less than the fact that every time I buy toilet paper or a box of crackers at the store... the package is the same size but the product isn't.

Unfortunately that's the current state of consumer goods of every type now. Pay full price for software that doesn't include all advertised features until the third or fourth patch cycle (if at all). Pay $60 for a game that has only 4 hours of content, only to have $40 worth of DLC's added within the first year.

Same with services... it's next to impossible to get good customer service whether you're buying a $60 meal or a $60K swimming pool.

To some extent it's normal for a business to view the customer as a commodity rather than a relationship (at least once they grow past the 'family business' stage) but it's starting to feel like we're becoming slaves not simply strangers.

Back to your setup, I forgot you were all on air - I don't think I'd ever do a multi-GPU build again that wasn't under water now... there's just no way to get enough cooling to the GPUs unless you do some sort of PCIe backplane setup with 2-3 slots between all of them.
Edited by DiGiCiDAL - 4/22/17 at 7:40pm
post #10523 of 10534
I have 1 universal GPU waterblock I got from eBay for only $15. IDK if I really want to buy a radiator, hose, clamps, fittings and 3 more uni-blocks just for Folding. I'll get better results by splitting two boards in the Z270 mobo and using the other two in my Z97 4690k setup which will give me 2.8 million ppd if I run them both. This 980 rig nets me around 1 million ppd but running this at full load and the twin 980 ti unit at full power really loads my circuit breakers. I cannot use my AC or microwave unless I Pause the Folding until I am done nuking my dinner. More bothersome to me is the lack of any earth shattering breakthroughs in the medical field directly related to Folding. All I see is mainly psych and Diabetes drugs being rammed down our throats on TV. I don't know about you but I'd like to know that I am making a difference helping sick people and not just increasing the size of my carbon footprint by flushing all of my extra cash down my power company's toilet. Can anybody show me something good that has actually come from Folding besides bragging rights about how many points someone can post?
post #10524 of 10534
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I have 1 universal GPU waterblock I got from eBay for only $15. IDK if I really want to buy a radiator, hose, clamps, fittings and 3 more uni-blocks just for Folding. I'll get better results by splitting two boards in the Z270 mobo and using the other two in my Z97 4690k setup which will give me 2.8 million ppd if I run them both. This 980 rig nets me around 1 million ppd but running this at full load and the twin 980 ti unit at full power really loads my circuit breakers. I cannot use my AC or microwave unless I Pause the Folding until I am done nuking my dinner. More bothersome to me is the lack of any earth shattering breakthroughs in the medical field directly related to Folding. All I see is mainly psych and Diabetes drugs being rammed down our throats on TV. I don't know about you but I'd like to know that I am making a difference helping sick people and not just increasing the size of my carbon footprint by flushing all of my extra cash down my power company's toilet. Can anybody show me something good that has actually come from Folding besides bragging rights about how many points someone can post?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding@home

Essentially, as with all groundwork efforts - the actual advances are likely to come many months to years after the research and proofs are available to those working in the field.

However, the questions you raise are the same which caused me to stop folding some time ago (same reason I don't mine crypto currencies any longer either). It may be self-centered of me to hold this view, but I felt like I would be better using my resources by saving money to contribute directly to charities/research groups (or for that matter just buying books for an underprivileged student in my area) than running up an extra $100/mo in utilities. For the most part distributed processing power is not the rare commodity it was before all the "big boys" rolled out their cloud computing data centers.

Couple that with the state of pharma these days, and it seems likely that any real breakthroughs will be priced out of reach from many/most of the people that donated their time/hardware/power to the cause in the first place. Same with crypto... I could make my power company and the hardware companies rich... or I could just buy a couple BTC at current price and trade for profit... saving both the environment and my bank account at the same time!

That said, like almost any hobby (regardless of whether it has a benevolent 'goal' or not), most people do folding for the competition and community aspects I think - and the justification of doing it for a worthy cause is simply a nice add-on.
post #10525 of 10534
I begin to believe that the 'worthy cause' is a bunch of malarky. With the dear, sweet, lovable Dr Pande heading an investment group now he can pick and choose the WU that are most likely to pan out for future reasearch and be the most profitable for his investors. I think it is time for me to quit Folding again at least for a while until I see something that I want to see from them. It's not like anybody is going to miss me. I look at team after team and I only see possibly 10% of the original Folders still participating. Bitcoin mining is out of the question for me because of their purpose and main use to pay for human slave trading, arms sales, and drug sales. I still have to live with myself and cannot for the life of me see how someone would 'sell their soul' just to make a few bucks helping a bunch of international crime syndicates dodge the taxman and hide their criminal enterprises.
post #10526 of 10534
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I begin to believe that the 'worthy cause' is a bunch of malarky. With the dear, sweet, lovable Dr Pande heading an investment group now he can pick and choose the WU that are most likely to pan out for future reasearch and be the most profitable for his investors. I think it is time for me to quit Folding again at least for a while until I see something that I want to see from them. It's not like anybody is going to miss me. I look at team after team and I only see possibly 10% of the original Folders still participating. Bitcoin mining is out of the question for me because of their purpose and main use to pay for human slave trading, arms sales, and drug sales. I still have to live with myself and cannot for the life of me see how someone would 'sell their soul' just to make a few bucks helping a bunch of international crime syndicates dodge the taxman and hide their criminal enterprises.

Well, you certainly could look at it that way. However, you could also consider many of the more humanitarian ventures and relief efforts it is empowering currently... and it's still in its infancy.

Ideologies and religions are beneficial for providing aspirations outside simple survival and pleasure... but they walk the fine line between helpful and destructive all the time. Usually, the amount of zealotry involved is the deciding factor which determines which it becomes.

I work in the US, earning and spending US dollars... which are arguably used for the same (and worse) purposes you attribute to Bitcoin. By the same token it could be argued that watching a movie or TV, listening to music, or even paying taxes is supporting pedophilia, slavery, drug and arms deals, etc... it's certainly funding a violation of privacy and free enterprise... but at some point you have to shrug off that which you can't do anything about and worry about that which you can. After all, those same dollars are also used to help cure diseases, feed the hungry, house the homeless, etc.

Being a 'conscientious investor' (whether we're talking about WUs, $s, or BTCs) at some point in time comes down to simply hoping what you contributed actually gets used for that purpose. That's why I usually try to look locally for such opportunities rather than globally... there's plenty of struggling families in every community, and many fall through the cracks in the system(s) that are ostensibly created to help them. Of course, you can find corruption locally as well... but at least it's a little harder to hide it. tongue.gif

I wouldn't worry to much about it either way... there's enough stress and disappointment in life as it is, without carrying the world on your shoulders. IMHO at least. I'd say just fold as much as you want, for the reasons you want to do it... and if you don't - don't.

You know, I've heard you can also play some pretty decent video games on those 980s biggrin.gif
post #10527 of 10534
My 980 SLI will play any game I own and has no problem driving my HTC Vive. Of course I could have purchased a nice pair of GTX-1080 ti with EK waterblocks for around $1800 but I decided to buy a nice Virago instead. See ya, I gotta go riding! Trust me when I say it is a whole lot more fun in real life than it is in VR. Ha-Haaaaa! devil-smiley-019.gif
post #10528 of 10534
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My 980 SLI will play any game I own and has no problem driving my HTC Vive. Of course I could have purchased a nice pair of GTX-1080 ti with EK waterblocks for around $1800 but I decided to buy a nice Virago instead. See ya, I gotta go riding! Trust me when I say it is a whole lot more fun in real life than it is in VR. Ha-Haaaaa! devil-smiley-019.gif

That sounds like a winner. Enjoy. thumb.gif
post #10529 of 10534
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My 980 SLI will play any game I own and has no problem driving my HTC Vive. Of course I could have purchased a nice pair of GTX-1080 ti with EK waterblocks for around $1800 but I decided to buy a nice Virago instead. See ya, I gotta go riding! Trust me when I say it is a whole lot more fun in real life than it is in VR. Ha-Haaaaa! devil-smiley-019.gif

So I Googled "Virago" as I am unfamiliar with the term, got "a domineering, violent, or bad-tempered woman." as the first result.


Then I realized it's a motorcycle.
    
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I had a Yamaha dealer down the street when I was growing up. He also sold Kawasaki and Suzuki bikes but Yamaha pretty much the king up here in the 1970's and early 80's.
    
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