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Corsair sf 450, it's pretty expensive.
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You mean this thing:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139156&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Power+Supplies-_-N82E16817139156&gclid=CJSPvP-z380CFU0vgQodKZIBPw&gclsrc=aw.ds

?

There are better PSUs for the money regardless:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817438054

Them SuperFlower designed SuperNovas are great.
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I am guessing that you did not notice that the person you quoted needs a small form factor power supply. The one you suggested in the second link is not a SFF power supply.
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I also suspect that since he referred to the price as "USD," he doesn't live in the United States and therefore doesn't have access to Newegg.
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First time poster in this thread but I've been eying the 860/880k for a while. Because they seem to be the only widely spread AMD Processor that can work in an ITX motherboard. You can get a motherboard and a 860k (with QC) for a little over 100 usd. And with most people converting to a newer chipset and buying DDR4 you can get some DDR3 pretty cheap where I live, a 2x4gb kit can go for 15 bucks if you are a patient and good buyer. So realistically you can pretty easily get CPU, MOBO and RAM for 130 usd. Add 400 usd for a Corsair SF 450 PSU and a used 980 or RX 480. A chassi (Node 202) for an example costs 95 bucks. Total of 525 usd for a really nice console sized pc that would out perform one by miles.

If you have a choice between an 860 and an 880 and you're wanting to go ITX, get the 880 if it's not much more money. There's not much difference between Kaveri and Godavari, but the latter does run a little cooler. That makes a difference in an ITX system, especially if you'd like to overclock the CPU. I got the same temps on an 860K at 4.5 GHz and 1.53v that I got with an 870K (the original Godavari Athlon SKU) at 4.7 GHz and 1.6v.
     
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Corsair sf 450, it's pretty expensive. and originally I was thinking about a used 980
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I also suspect that since he referred to the price as "USD," he doesn't live in the United States and therefore doesn't have access to Newegg.
If you have a choice between an 860 and an 880 and you're wanting to go ITX, get the 880 if it's not much more money. There's not much difference between Kaveri and Godavari, but the latter does run a little cooler. That makes a difference in an ITX system, especially if you'd like to overclock the CPU. I got the same temps on an 860K at 4.5 GHz and 1.53v that I got with an 870K (the original Godavari Athlon SKU) at 4.7 GHz and 1.6v.
Ok, thanks, thought it was just a matter of clocks speeds.

Yeah I live in Sweden so everything here has a VAT of 25% ^^.
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Corsair sf 450, it's pretty expensive. and originally I was thinking about a used 980
Ok, thanks, thought it was just a matter of clocks speeds.

Yeah I live in Sweden so everything here has a VAT of 25% ^^.
Kaveri and Godavari are identical silicon, but Godavari chips use solder between the CPU core and the IHS, which helps them to run cooler. Kaveri versions use an ordinary thermal interface material. You could probably delid a Kaveri and make it run as cool as a Godavari by simply replacing the TIM with some Coollaboratory Liquid Pro/Ultra, but by the time you got done buying some and voided your warranty on the 860K, you might as well just get an 880.
     
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I am guessing that you did not notice that the person you quoted needs a small form factor power supply. The one you suggested in the second link is not a SFF power supply.

Oh, no, I didn't notice that. Still, that markup . . . yow.

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I also suspect that since he referred to the price as "USD," he doesn't live in the United States and therefore doesn't have access to Newegg.

He might not, but he's talking a greater-than-100% markup vs. NA prices for the same product.

Also, KV-A1 and GV-A1 are not identical silicon. Identical design, yes. Identical stepping/voltage scaling characteristics? No.
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@drmrlordx
Also, KV-A1 and GV-A1 are not identical silicon. Identical design, yes. Identical stepping/voltage scaling characteristics? No.[/quote]

i am trying to guess what differences you speak of specifically stepping and volt scaling in what way are the different? i was reading of better thermal tolerances with GV-A1. Is the change even worth the old socket?
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Eh, it isn't such a big change that FM2+ magically becomes better than what it is. The biggest limitations (lots of boards with underbuilt sockets, poor-quality IMC, weird power saving behavior) are still there. The GV-A1 chips overall behave better. Usually. And AMD switched back to solder which was a nice touch.
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@drmrlordx
Also, KV-A1 and GV-A1 are not identical silicon. Identical design, yes. Identical stepping/voltage scaling characteristics? No.

i am trying to guess what differences you speak of specifically stepping and volt scaling in what way are the different? i was reading of better thermal tolerances with GV-A1. Is the change even worth the old socket?
That's the only difference I see. Both my 860K and my 870K hit 4.5 GHz stable at the same vcore--1.5325 with standard LLC. The only difference was that the 860K was near its thermal limit and the 870K was not, so I was able to go higher on frequency and voltage with it.

The 870K is much more undervoltable as well, but that makes sense, considering it's newer silicon, and newer chips tend to be more efficient. Try using an FX-8350 from 2013 and a new FX-8350 today and see if they have the same characteristics.

Other than those things, there is no difference. The 860K and the 870K perform completely identically to one another. I don't think there's any difference other than that 870K is newer and it's soldered, which helps it run cooler. As i said earlier, if someone delidded an 860K and replaced the TIM with some Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra, I bet it would OC exactly like a Godavari. I was considering doing the experiment myself until my friend's PC died, and I used the 860 to build her a new one for her birthday.
     
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