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Originally Posted by 970Rules View Post

Ya any I5 core of late should be fine for many upcoming years to come too boot!
Even the must severe cpu bound games comings up very late this year (xmas)/2016 will have DX12 to make heavy cpu bound games better,

DX12 will allow gpu to do it's thing with less windows / waiting on the cpu holding it back a lot less, in other words "dx12 = mantle in windows logo"
Any of amd fans can tell you, all it does is get cpu out of way, gpu is bottleneck for gaming atm and will keep being that way.

Lucky our 970s have full dx 12 setup, so we be fine come late 2015/2016 games.

By the time anyone will need to upgrade thanks to dx12 making your cpu last even longer, am guesting will be like 4 years form now when we got 7nm cpu's form intel to choose form, that should be about double the power of 22nm ones we got now for same price per dollar cost . A upgrade worth having by that point.

" Intel believes it can drive Moore’s Law down to 7 nm even without long-delayed advances in lithography."
past 7nm, it could be like what 28nm and 22nm GPU'S / CPU's quicksand pit we been stuck on what seems forever now.
Where about to just get out of 28nm pit and sprint to 7nm in short order of late 3/4 years.

I would go so far to say that sandy/ivy bridge will be good to go for at least another 4-5years, especially in context of gaming. With the consoles being the least common denominator and the majority gaming machine with weak CPUs, and the advent of DX12, it will be a long time before Devs push games beyond the limit for these CPUs. Now if you are video/photo editing/rendering,etc., then that is a different story. But then again most of us probably have gaming machines and workstations that fit those tasks.

Think about it this way, for the sports enthusiast. Kobe Bryant and Peyton Manning will be retired and in their respective Hall of Fame before Ivy bridge becomes obsolete for gaming.
post #11152 of 26194
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Originally Posted by Hequaqua View Post

I know what you mean. There are a lot of good threads throughout OC.net. I have tried to read through a lot of the OC'ing guides, then I look at the BIOS with all the dam settings....and I feel lost. lmao

Edit: The biggest problem with the Haswells are they vary so much. The cheap TIM, the temps, all the different variations in needed voltage, etc. If I was rich, I would take mine out to my workshop and delid it. biggrin.gif

So how would I got about over clocking only using the multiplier?

Just increase it by one and then stress test each time until I have problems basically?
post #11153 of 26194
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Originally Posted by generalkayoss View Post

So how would I got about over clocking only using the multiplier?

Just increase it by one and then stress test each time until I have problems basically?

Yes just increase your multuiplier. 4.2Ghz seems to be a stable overclock and some people have managed to boost theirs to 4.5GHz
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Well here we go just need my 3rd one.
post #11155 of 26194
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Yes just increase your multuiplier. 4.2Ghz seems to be a stable overclock and some people have managed to boost theirs to 4.5GHz

I upped the multiplier by 2. CPUZ is reading 3990MHz.

7-8 minutes into Prime95 my temps hit 100 degrees with my H60 and I stopped the test frown.gif

I haven't run prime95 stock yet to compare though.

And I know i'm getting a bit off subject here but bear with me please smile.gif

edit - upon further research, i've discovered that hitting 100 degrees on P95 with Haswell chips isn't that uncommon.
Edited by generalkayoss - 1/10/15 at 2:43pm
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yeah so that post the other day a Nvidia Mod replyed to me about it.... "This is a very interesting result, and I'll certainly pass it along to the ongoing investigation. Lastrights, can you clarify exactly what sorts of performance issues you were having, and which games they were in? I see that the framerate shows as being higher on standard clocks, as expected. Would you be willing to take FRAPS frametime logs and GPUView Trace Logs with the system in both standard and underclocked states to help spot where the error might be occurring?
And anyone else who has tried this, please post your results as well."


working with him now on it further will keep you guys posted here is a link to the issue if you wanna keep ignoring your 970/980 TDP throttling you will see it soon when you start pushing them. higher clocked cards will be the worst offenders. modded bios will help but it may not be enough power (or just unsafe for the average user).

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/802242/geforce-900-series/300mhz-underclock-to-stop-voltage-throttle-/1/

I am not 100% sure its TDP either thats the funny part cause it just looks like it that might be whats wrong here it just LOOKS like TDP maybe thats why they cant fix it. who knows i certainly don't pretend too.
Edited by Last-Rights - 1/10/15 at 2:44pm
post #11157 of 26194
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Originally Posted by Team Grinder View Post

An i7 920 @ 3.8GHz is not a bottleneck. Don't care what anyone else thinks in regards to this matter as this topic has been discussed on a million other threads. Its been proven that a sandy based 2 core/2thread CPU will bottleneck a GTX 970. Forget the benchmark scores. I only use 3DMark 11 Extreme to check stability. For me if it crashes on that then the overclock is not stable enough. The new benchmark Monster Online looks to be my new stability test.
To be honest the only reason I got a new CPU was that my board shat itself and I wasn't sinking $250 into an X58 board as tempted as I was.
If you want help overclocking that CPU a bit further let me know. From memory my QPI/VTT was at 1.35v and Vcore was at 1.288, ICH was at 1.2, DRAM at 1.64, IOH was at 1.2, LLC was extreme, Spread Spectrums were disabled. That should get you to 4.0GHz or 4.1GHz depending. 4.2GHz required 1.35v with QPI at 1.4v. I had decent clocker voltage wise but it had a dog of an IMC on it.

I decided to test the maximum frequency of my i7 920 (C0/C1) once again as it's been ages. I remember I didn't want to over 1.4V Vcore because I didn't want to risk the longevity of my CPU. That was back in 2009 though so I decided to say, f* it, and set it at 1.45V 3.990GHz at once and go down from there. If I'm stable that is.

My previous settings: x21 / 175 Bclk / x6 mem multi / QPI 1.15V / Vcore 1.35V / PLL 1.8V / HT enabled / Turbo boost ON / DDR V 1.5V (Auto)
This sets memory at 1066 and CPU at 3.65GHz

My current settings (only 15 minutes into Prime95): 3.99GHz
1.45V Vcore / 190 Bclk / PLL 1.8 / QPI 1.24V / x6 mem multi / x21 CPU multi / HT ON / Turbo Boost ON / and memory voltage at 1.54 I believe.

Maximum core temperatures after 5 minutes prime on first settings were between 62 and 65°C, they probably would have gone higher though. Right now, 20 minutes into Prime now, they're at 73-79°C. My radiator fans are at their lowest setting with the fan controller. Normally I should be able to shave 5-8°C off of max temps but I never touch the fan controller so there's not reason to do while testing smile.gif Edit: max rpm temps drop down to higher 60's °C.

RealTemp is reporting different numbers but I'll just ignore these? It says 197 bclk and 4.149GHz? Wonder where it's getting this.


And to stay on topic; my 970 is running fully stock again biggrin.gif

Also, Team Grinder, if you'd like to give me some input you can PM me so this thread can stay on-topic. You don't have to of course smile.gif In the meantime I'll be trying to push this C0 to 4GHz+
Edited by Enzo Who - 1/10/15 at 2:56pm
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thanks, rep+
its Hynix on memory

yes you will see in benchmark but most games i didnt see any much difference on my old i5 3570k

can i get your bios?

ive been looking for a good modded bios to replace mine that is trust-able from someone with the exact same card. anyway you could help another golden edition owner with TDP limitation issues out?
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I decided to test the maximum frequency of my i7 920 (C0/C1) once again as it's been ages. I remember I didn't want to over 1.4V Vcore because I didn't want to risk the longevity of my CPU. That was back in 2009 though so I decided to say, f* it, and set it at 1.45V 3.990GHz at once and go down from there. If I'm stable that is.

My previous settings: x21 / 175 Bclk / x6 mem multi / QPI 1.15V / Vcore 1.35V / PLL 1.8V / HT enabled / Turbo boost ON / DDR V 1.5V (Auto)
This sets memory at 1066 and CPU at 3.65GHz

My current settings (only 15 minutes into Prime95): 3.99GHz
1.45V Vcore / 190 Bclk / PLL 1.8 / QPI 1.24V / x6 mem multi / x21 CPU multi / HT ON / Turbo Boost ON / and memory voltage at 1.54 I believe.

Maximum core temperatures after 5 minutes prime on first settings were between 62 and 65°C, they probably would have gone higher though. Right now, 20 minutes into Prime now, they're at 73-79°C. My radiator fans are at their lowest setting with the fan controller. Normally I should be able to shave 5-8°C off of max temps but I never touch the fan controller so there's not reason to do while testing smile.gif Edit: max rpm temps drop down to higher 60's °C.

RealTemp is reporting different numbers but I'll just ignore these? It says 197 bclk and 4.149GHz? Wonder where it's getting this.


And to stay on topic; my 970 is running fully stock again biggrin.gif

Also, Team Grinder, if you'd like to give me some input you can PM me so this thread can stay on-topic. You don't have to of course smile.gif In the meantime I'll be trying to push this C0 to 4GHz+

damn, nice oc, i was barely able to get my e8xxx to 3.8

i think i was i tried too hard to keep it under 60C or it was really bad luck in silicon lottery
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Originally Posted by generalkayoss View Post

I upped the multiplier by 2. CPUZ is reading 3990MHz.

7-8 minutes into Prime95 my temps hit 100 degrees with my H60 and I stopped the test frown.gif

I haven't run prime95 stock yet to compare though.

And I know i'm getting a bit off subject here but bear with me please smile.gif

edit - upon further research, i've discovered that hitting 100 degrees on P95 with Haswell chips isn't that uncommon.

Woah, 100°C is way too high. You should not be anywhere near that with a H60 at 3990Mhz. It should be more in the 60-70°C range, if even that. Prime95 is tough on the CPU, but it is not that tough. I highly suggest you look into this further. Start a thread dedicated to your issue and have a chat with peeps. You may have a poorly seated water block or you may have screwed something up in the BIOS. Always clear the CMOS or restore factory defaults before overclocking a CPU (which I recommend you do right now unless you have a very specific RAM overclock or something else). Run OCCT, Aida64 or Intel Extreme Tuning Utility for a few hours at STOCK speeds. Note the temperatures (average and max) and make sure you're stable. Then look into overclocking. You should easily be able to achieve 4.2Ghz with a 4670K and a Corsair H60 without going above 80°C. Ensure your radiator is seated properly and the fan is unobstructed.
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