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This seems strange to me as I am have no problems with the vanilla cooler for benching.  With stock clocks and fan settings, I don't think the GPU exceeded 65C.  Reseating the cooler and swapping paste may help you out.  From my experience, the manufacturer usually uses a surplus of inferior thermal paste.  Cleaning off the excess and putting some Arctic of Gelid in its place will generally give better thermals.

Try manually forcing the fans to 60% or so.  At that forced fan speed I am getting my vanilla to boost to 1416, while GPU-Z sensor is reporting max boost clock in the 1450-1475 range.  There is a little fluctuation as it doesn't hold the high 1400's indefinitely, but it isn't dropping under 1400 either during benches with the temps in the mid-high 70's.

As I responded to Zorphon above: Using the default fan profile and factory clocks, the fans stay at 45-50% to maintain 80C while running Heaven for 30 minutes or longer. Even with a good overclock (+200Core, +250mem), I was able to maintain 80C with no more than 55% fan speed.

I can keep the temps in the low 70s if I ramp-up the fan speed to 70-80%, but that's too noisy for my liking. I suppose the question is, why do we consider 80C to be too high? Zotac clearly thinks that's an acceptable temp, given that's the default target in Firestorm, so I'm not seeing any reason to be concerned.
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Would anyone be able to post some 3dmark or Unigine benchmark results from their Vanilla 970? Before and after OC if possible.  Seems like my scores are low for the boost level the card is showing in GPU-Z sensors. 

my card clocks OK for core, 1276 with 1416 boost showing in GPU-Z info tab. While benching and using the sensors tab,  it usually stays in the 1450-1475 area with a modified fan curve to keep temps under 80.  The card doesn't respond at all to additional voltage, but the 6% power limit did help a bit.  RAM clock is underwhelming at 1853 I believe; can't remember exactly as I'm at work. 

I'm mostly concerned with graphics score for 3dmark since the 4770k in this PC is a bit of a dud at only 4.3GHz...it is getting swapped out soon for a 4790k however smile.gif  

Running Heaven benchmark maxed out (8x AA) at 1600 x 900, I got about 65 FPS at stock clocks (I don't have the exact figures here as I am at work). Got up to about 74 FPS with a +200Core and +250mem overclock. Didn't see any stability issues, so might try and push the overclocks further on the weekend. Fan speed increased only slightly to maintain the 80C target temp set in Firestorm.
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As I responded to Zorphon above: Using the default fan profile and factory clocks, the fans stay at 45-50% to maintain 80C while running Heaven for 30 minutes or longer. Even with a good overclock (+200Core, +250mem), I was able to maintain 80C with no more than 55% fan speed.

I can keep the temps in the low 70s if I ramp-up the fan speed to 70-80%, but that's too noisy for my liking. I suppose the question is, why do we consider 80C to be too high? Zotac clearly thinks that's an acceptable temp, given that's the default target in Firestorm, so I'm not seeing any reason to be concerned.

This is true, in fact it is totally operable temperatures all the way up to mid/high 90s.

That being said, I'd rather sacrifice some noise personally for a cooler running card to limit any thermal throttling. But to each their own. thumb.gif
post #664 of 902
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Wait, so increasing the voltage beyond 1.212v in the BIOS and flashing a modified BIOS to it will not increase the voltage on this card?

Yes, that's correct. I believe that was mentioned in some of the earlier pages of this thread
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Yes, that's correct. I believe that was mentioned in some of the earlier pages of this thread

Ah. I must have missed those. I thought they were referring to on stock BIOS. That's a real bummer.
post #666 of 902
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Ah. I must have missed those. I thought they were referring to on stock BIOS. That's a real bummer.

Actually I'm sorry, I may have given wrong information. I guess I remembered wrong, just skimmed through some previous posts, it appears you are able to increase voltage to about 1.21v through bios flashing. The only OC program able to increase the voltage is Firestorm but it is buggy. I suppose I had thought it was hard locked to 1.212v because for the vanilla zotac 970s, increasing the voltage may make it hit throttling limits even earlier
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As I responded to Zorphon above: Using the default fan profile and factory clocks, the fans stay at 45-50% to maintain 80C while running Heaven for 30 minutes or longer. Even with a good overclock (+200Core, +250mem), I was able to maintain 80C with no more than 55% fan speed.

I can keep the temps in the low 70s if I ramp-up the fan speed to 70-80%, but that's too noisy for my liking. I suppose the question is, why do we consider 80C to be too high? Zotac clearly thinks that's an acceptable temp, given that's the default target in Firestorm, so I'm not seeing any reason to be concerned.

 

It shouldn't be running at 80C with stock clocks and default fan profile.  Take a look at my post with all my benches for all stock settings; I know the temp was never anywhere near 80C for stock settings which had the fan running ~45%. *EDIT* Must repost my pictures as they are too small *EDIT*

 

Yes, it is within operating temperature of the GPU to function, but that doesn't mean that it is working properly.  With the efficiency of these cards, it shouldn't be running at temperatures like a 290(X) card does at stock.  Lowering the operating temps will make the card more efficient, possibly giving you a little more headroom for OC.   

 

I would remove the cooler and see if it is making good contact, or if something is wrong with the thermal paste.  Zotac won't void your warranty for removing the cooler, so I think it is worth a shot.

 

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Haha nice, that's actually really funny because I bought my openbox too, for $270 w/shipping! From Provantage though, not NewEgg. But still. $264-270 for this card, even if it performs a tad bit less in overclocking than some of the beefier 970s is still a great deal and plenty worth it in my opinion.

Plus there's just something about that tiny card being so incredibly powerful that is almost funny. It's like 4" shorter than the 570 it replaced, and 2x3 times more powerful. Built like a tank with the metal shroud too. Honestly impressed with this little beast. Improving my case airflow soon too which should definitely help keep temps down.

And no problem for the numbers!

 

My 970 is mediocre compared to some of the bigger cards, but it is trading blows with one of my 290's that is also a fair performer.  Biggest differences are size and efficiency obviously.  However, I had been running the 290 on a 450W PSU for the last 9 months without a single issue.  This is a scenario that some people would tell you is not possible, which could be true depending on the hardware/OC configuration.  With an excellent clocking(~1300 core) 290(X), with max voltages and power limit you can easily draw 300W with a single card...but if you keep the core and VRMs cool, with a mild OC, they are more efficient than all the initial reviews and hype labeled them as.   I was using a Kraken G10, with some other select mods, that kept temps very reasonable while still being silent during long gaming sessions. 

 

I am also pleased with the performance of the little card because it's giving me very similar performance to the 290 it replaced, and now I have a 'big' CUDA card for super fast BD rips.  Win/Win :laugher:

 

I think I'm going to be using an AIO cooler on this lil' guy so I can run it max overclock, in utter silence, for when the new Batman hits this spring/summer.  I'm hoping the 970 won't have any issues with max settings @ 1080P on my TV :)  My wife is super pumped for release day...it should look extra nice with PhysX enabled.

 

My last Green card was an open box GTX670 4GB(microcenter), that was on this same small board, but it was a turd.  The performance was fair at stock, but it wouldn't clock 1MHz over stock no matter what I did.  After I forced the fan to low speed I discovered it also had constant coil whine as soon as their was any 3D load, that got even worse with PhysX load...I was smart enough to buy the trade-in warranty at MicroCenter, so I got my whole purchase price back when it failed a couple months down the road. 

 

 

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It shouldn't be running at 80C with stock clocks and default fan profile.  Take a look at my post with all my benches for all stock settings; I know the temp was never anywhere near 80C for stock settings which had the fan running ~45%. *EDIT* Must repost my pictures as they are too small *EDIT*

Yes, it is within operating temperature of the GPU to function, but that doesn't mean that it is working properly.  With the efficiency of these cards, it shouldn't be running at temperatures like a 290(X) card does at stock.  Lowering the operating temps will make the card more efficient, possibly giving you a little more headroom for OC.   

I would remove the cooler and see if it is making good contact, or if something is wrong with the thermal paste.  Zotac won't void your warranty for removing the cooler, so I think it is worth a shot.

Yes, I did think 80C was rather high for a 970, given all of the reviews I've read. It idles at around 32C, but rises to 80C within 5-10 minutes of gaming. I assumed it was due to airflow in my case.

I'd remove the cooler but I have no idea what I'm looking for. The only experience I have dealing with contact and thermal paste is fitting a Noctua NH-L12 onto my CPU, which never gets above 45C (no OC).

I've never looked inside a GPU before.
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Yes, I did think 80C was rather high for a 970, given all of the reviews I've read. It idles at around 32C, but rises to 80C within 5-10 minutes of gaming. I assumed it was due to airflow in my case.

I'd remove the cooler but I have no idea what I'm looking for. The only experience I have dealing with contact and thermal paste is fitting a Noctua NH-L12 onto my CPU, which never gets above 45C (no OC).

I've never looked inside a GPU before.

What case do you have and how are your case fans set up? Also what is your ambient?
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Yes, I did think 80C was rather high for a 970, given all of the reviews I've read. It idles at around 32C, but rises to 80C within 5-10 minutes of gaming. I assumed it was due to airflow in my case.

I'd remove the cooler but I have no idea what I'm looking for. The only experience I have dealing with contact and thermal paste is fitting a Noctua NH-L12 onto my CPU, which never gets above 45C (no OC).
I've never looked inside a GPU before.

 

It will be quite simple really.  All you must do is remove the 4 screws on the back side of the GPU and the heatsink should come off quite easily.  You'll be looking to see if the heatsink is making good contact with the GPU die or not.  If it isn't making good contact, it could look something like this:

 

If there is too much thermal paste, then it may look something like this:

 

 

 

After you have checked everything out, even if it looks OK, you will want to use some isopropyl alcohol, or ArctiClean, and clean all the thermal paste off the GPU die and the heatsink; Be Gentle!  Make sure you use something soft, I typically use a Q-tip for the bulk and then a paper towel to clean up the remnants, since you will be touching the die itself.

 

Then apply a small dab of your preferred thermal paste.  The paste spreads very well on the perfectly flat/smooth GPU die, so only a pinch is necessary.  Re-attach the heatsink, tighten the screws.  You may want to quickly remove the heatsink again to make sure the thermal paste has spread across the entire die

 

It will look like this when it spreads nice and even

 

 

Now re-run some benches and see what your temps are like.

 

This is what the Vanilla Zotac looks like with the main heatsink and the VRM heatsink removed.

 

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What case do you have and how are your case fans set up? Also what is your ambient?

 

These are also great questions.  A few pics of how everything is setup in your case may help us track down the culprit to your high operating temps.

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