Originally Posted by Pip Boy
They have definatley improved I agree but unless you go for one that has specifically been tailored for low response and use rare technology like strobing ( forgetting that models QC issues ) then in general your going to be left wanting, at the current time, things do improve but isnt it interesting that 15 - 20 years into modern LCD technology no panel tech type has completed every aspect of picture quality without a black mark against it & modern day QC on monitors is atrocious ( and there a pain to RMA )
as for color space, dithering can improve the appearance of graduation ( just like proper upscaling of content should yeild a reduction in banding and detail ) but you have to remember that game designers often use a shallow color space at around 6 - 8 bit and texture compression can lose some more.
Nvidia consumer cards are fully capable of 10bit however but they decided to reserve the tick box option for the quadro range .. because its nvidia
so people have proper 10bit panels sat in front of them with SLI 980's or whatever and there restricted to 8bit color space and mostly 6bit games. My point on color though is that current 4k TV's are still relevant regardless of Rec 2020 , as you say Rec. 709 is the game standard ( or less i.e not a met standard ) because content .. there wont be any proper 10bit content for movie consumption ( no decent animated stuff, just boring box office superhero movies )for a long time and HDR can be implemented in video games without a standard.
The only reason to wait is for monitors to become big enough and fast enough @ 4k (5K ultrawide) with DP1.3imo
SPVA HDTV Con's have almost entirely been ironed out. High-end SPVA models have excellent viewing angles, uniformity, and can be calibrated to have IPS level of accuracy
. LED technology also improved LCD response time and clarity
when compared to older CCFL LCD panels, especially Sony's light-strobing. Its the PC monitor panels that are improving too slowly compared to TV panels, which are improved much faster. FG2421 was only possible because it used a specialized panel made for professional satellite-imagery work. Eizo used lower quality units of those panels to create FG2421. However, even IPS panel makers often design their panels for high quality Pro-level monitors, but end up using left-over defective panels (that have no passed Quality Control to be for Pro-level monitors) and use them for consumer-level monitors, charging a much lower price for them the price they charge for Pro-level panels. You can get "Backlight Bleeding" on just about any consumer LCD IPS panel and YET, pro-level IPS panels do not come with any "Backlight Bleeding". Panels with "Backlight Bleeding" or whichever other defects are simply panels that have not Quality Control for Pro-level panels.All-in-all its LCD technology itself that is very limiting
, preventing the needed specs for good PC gaming experience. LCD PANELS WERE MADE FOR OFFICE USE BECAUSE THEY WERE SHARP, LIGHT, AND FLICKER-FREE. They were not made for gaming, at least not until the most recent high refresh rate advancements with light-strobing, G-Sync, etc. Still, the best of the best gaming LCD pales to a good mid-range CRT monitor
when it comes to contrast ratio (mage quality) and motion, which are the 2 most important factors to gaming.
Response time is not as important as refresh rate with light-strobing enabled. There is no way a normal 60Hz monitor with fast 4ms response time can provide a clearer image than a 120hz monitor with slow 8ms response time and with ULMB / LightBoost / Turbo 240 enabled. Plasma is an exception. Plasma @ 60Hz has AMAZING MOTIO
N, one much clearer than any light-strobingb @ 120Hz.
These days only TN panels use 6bit + FRC dithering (except for ASUS ROG, which supposedly uses true 8bit panel). 6bit + FRC is close to 8bit, but not as good as true 8bit. NVidia CP does allow 10bit and 12bit and even 16bit output option selection for monitors that support such output
. Most mid-range and high-end HDTV's have 12bit output, but 10bit is the true color depth for them because the other 2bits are from internal processing
. It also happens that good VA monitors also support 10bit output, sometimes with true 10bit color depth and sometimes with 8bit + FRC dithering. Some monitors like FG2421 have their own hardware/panel-based dithering with 8bit output. Some clueless people call dithering CROSS-HATCHING and see it as a problem. while in reality it improves image quality and can only be seen close-up on white-ish backgrounds.
The most recent high-end plasma HDTV's have incredibly high contrast ratio, astonishing image quality and motion. Too bad they come with very high input lag as do many OLED and SPVA TV's, except for Sony's top units.
OLED has promise too. It beats plasma in contrast ratio, but it pales to plasma when it comes to motion. OLED needs light-strobing to become plasma replacement, but OLED is in very early development stages and so far very little progress... For now only LG is making progress when it comes to OLED technology.CRT's had almost infinite contrast ratio due to super-low black levels
. They usually came with excellent color accuracy and often supported high refresh rates. They had true 1ms response time and 1ms input lag, I think... Their only cons were - small screen size, dim image, curved screen, not as sharp as LCD, and very heavy. Sony GDM-FW900 24" Trinitron was such an awesome CRT monitor
. It could do 2304x1440 @ 80Hz, had a a flat screen, and near-0 black levels (almost infinite contrast ratio), accurate colors, and rather excellent brightness. It does take much longer to calibrate CRT monitors and they get worse over time, but you can still get one in a near-new condition for $1000 from HardForum seller (Display forums).
I have hope that Panasonic's new IPS technology will go mainstream sometime. Panasonic developed new IPS technology that provides VA-level contrast ratio
, but with all the Pro's of an IPS panel and none of the Con's of a VA panel. It does not have IPS glow either. There ARE some IPS panels with 2000:1 contrast ratio
, but they are extremely rare.Edited by MonarchX - 10/28/15 at 7:37am