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I'm surprised this display is getting as much attention as it is on OC.Net

I'm looking to upgrade my display soon but I'd be hard pressed to buy another 60hz limited panel with several 34" 75-100hz with Gsync available or coming soon.
 
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And I insist, people shoud see a good foris before bashing VA panels for gaming.
No one's bashing VA panels. In fact, i impatiently await news of the fabled 100 Hz SPVA from Samsung. The FG2421 simply isn't the quasi-perfect monitor people make it out to be. Were it not 120 Hz, no one would give it a 2nd look. It's, basically, the one-eyed king in the land of the blind. I'm really not sure why we haven't seen a competitor with comparable frequency. The response times on current SPVA and AMVA+ panels already match or surpass the ones of the FG2421 (including TP-Vision's VA panel made for the BDM4065UC).

And, like you said, i feel the time is not right to buy a 24'' 1080p monitor, regardless of its qualities. I will get whatever 1440p VA-type to come out with a high frequency.
Wait, what... where did you hear about this?
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Wait, what... where did you hear about this?

TFTCentral lists it on their monitor database. I think it's inevitable, a 100 Hz FreeSync version of this monitor. I just hope there's a G-SYNC version.
 
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Wait, what... where did you hear about this?

TFTCentral lists it on their monitor database. I think it's inevitable, a 100 Hz FreeSync version of this monitor. I just hope there's a G-SYNC version.
Talking about this? Don't know about this SVA panel type? Pretty much my dream specs if true but also gonna be so expensive.

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Isn't SVA what the HP Envy 34 panel is?
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Talking about this? Don't know about this SVA panel type? Pretty much my dream specs if true but also gonna be so expensive.


That's the one. It clearly missed the target release date though lol. Doesn't the S34E790C use SVA?
 
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Man, SPVA technology has been out since 2008 on TV's and its beats the quality of MVA, SVA, whichever other VA used on monitors in terms of uniformity, viewing angles, and general color accuracy (at least after calibration)... How hard can it be for them to release SPVA panels on monitors??? I bought my Samsung 40" LN40B550 HDTV in 2009 for some $700 and it came with a great SPVA panel, which had very low input lag even @ 12bit color depth when running in PC Mode, which skips internal processing and reduces input lag. Therefore, they could release a much smaller version of an equivalent SPVA LED monitor panel (LED is even cheaper to make than CCFL) in 2015 but $300 tops, but they won't! Monitors get SCRAP defective low-quality panels.

Poor monitor panels is another reason why I suggest buying a high-quality Sony HDTV with "Clearer" feature (true 60Hz light-strobing without fake interpolation) over non-FG2421 VA panels. High-end Sony HDTV's are of excellent quality, often come with 3000:1+ contrast ratio (up to 4300:1 on some panels WITHOUT fake micro/local dimming), minor or non-existent backlight-bleeding, and they came with very low input lag (lower than quite a few VA monitors' input lag). Sure, they are 1080p, but here's how I see it in terms of quality quality and motion clarity: FG2421 > Sony "Clearer" HDTV > any other VA panel, regardless of resolution.
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Man, SPVA technology has been out since 2008 on TV's and its beats the quality of MVA, SVA, whichever other VA used on monitors in terms of uniformity, viewing angles, and general color accuracy (at least after calibration)... How hard can it be for them to release SPVA panels on monitors??? I bought my Samsung 40" LN40B550 HDTV in 2009 for some $700 and it came with a great SPVA panel, which had very low input lag even @ 12bit color depth when running in PC Mode, which skips internal processing and reduces input lag. Therefore, they could release a much smaller version of an equivalent SPVA LED monitor panel (LED is even cheaper to make than CCFL) in 2015 but $300 tops, but they won't! Monitors get SCRAP defective low-quality panels.

Poor monitor panels is another reason why I suggest buying a high-quality Sony HDTV with "Clearer" feature (true 60Hz light-strobing without fake interpolation) over non-FG2421 VA panels. High-end Sony HDTV's are of excellent quality, often come with 3000:1+ contrast ratio (up to 4300:1 on some panels WITHOUT fake micro/local dimming), minor or non-existent backlight-bleeding, and they came with very low input lag (lower than quite a few VA monitors' input lag). Sure, they are 1080p, but here's how I see it in terms of quality quality and motion clarity: FG2421 > Sony "Clearer" HDTV > any other VA panel, regardless of resolution.

How about 40-44" 4k SPVA TVs? Any really nice ones for PC gaming? I'm not as anal about motion performance as most gamers around here.
 
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How about 40-44" 4k SPVA TVs? Any really nice ones for PC gaming? I'm not as anal about motion performance as most gamers around here.

As long as you have enough money to later buy another 4K HDTV, then I think there may be a few, but I would need to research to tell you for sure. There are 2 main problems with 4K displays today:
1. 4K is a hardware (GPU + CPU) - demanding resolution. Right now even GTX 960 struggled to produce the best image quality @ 1080p using madVR's (best video renderer's in existence) high-quality settings, which make a considerable different to image quality. Using any resolution other 4K on 4K TV's is very likely to look blurry. This also affects playing 1080p Fully HD or 720p HD content. You MUST have the right hardware. I'd say at the very least you need well-overclocked GTX 980 SLi for moderate/semi-high settings in graphically-demanding games, but if you most of eye candy, then get GTX 980 Ti SLi and overclock it as high as you can.
2. There is an upcoming colorspace / color gamut standard called Rec. 2020 for 4K content. It provides the necessary colors for future 4K content. So far, there hasn't been a single TV that could support Rec. 2020. Right now 4K TV's support sRGB / Rec. 709 standard that games and Blu-Rays use, but future 4K content won't look right on today's 4K TV's. I have no idea when 4K will go mainstream but seeing how quickly it becomes popular, it may take anywhere between 1-2 years before Rec. 2020 4K TV's and content appears.

Again, I advice contrast ratio over resolution. If want a TV solely for non-gaming playback purposes then I recommend at least Samsung PNF5350 or PNF5300 plasma (only 50" I think) HDTV that used to be on sale for some $700 just a year ago. This TV is a mid-range plasma with rather high input lag (50ms) that makes it a bad choice for gaming, but it has contrast ratio (7000:1 or so) and black levels that beat any VA panel's contrast ratio & black levels by at least 100% (2x),. It (just like most recent plasma TV's) has motion clarity @ 60Hz that no LCD or OLED can produce even @ 120Hz with Light-strobing. It also comes with 72Hz mode specifically for 23/24p films to prevent any tearing from 3:2/2:3 pull-down. This TV is PERFECT for films and sports for those on the budget. It does, however, require a dark environment because the image is slightly dim - 100cd/m^2 (normal for plasma TV's). Another slight issue is that low/mid-range plasma TV's do not come with special and very expensive anti-reflective soldered-in screen, which means PNF5350/5300 can be reflective in the wrong environment. PNF5350 has better anti-reflective properties than PNF5300. It also comes with FULL calibration system, not partial like most low/mid-range TV's do. I purchased PNF5350 for my mom and I think it is the absolute BEST BUY out there based on cost-benefit analysis). Not even $3000 SPVA panels can beat PNF5300/5350 image quality (contrast ratio + black levels) and motion clarity. Another excellent buy is Panasonic S60, which is also a 50" $700 mid-range plasma with great contrast ratio, awesome black levels, excellent motion clarity, and full calibration controls. it is very comparable to Samsung PNF5300/5350. Read further down to learn more about Samsung plasma vs. Panasonic plasma differences.

After I fully calibrated (everyone should to calibrate every display/project they have to get the best image), I re-watched half the movies I've already seen to get a much better experience. Too bad it had to go into my mom's room and be connected to Chromecast and Dish Network... FYI - it is possible to calibrate displays for use wit PC's, Blue-Rays, Consoles, Chromecast Netflix/Amazon, Hulu, or whichever similar online services, but they cannot be calibrated for Cable TV or Dish TV programming because different channels like to use their own standards, some of which use the right standard and some of which do not. You will still get a much better image on TV channels with calibrated settings than you would without. Frankly, even the best HD channels, shows, and programming are nowhere near as good as even mid-quality rips of those shows (available on the internet) and Blu Rays. I have not watched TV in about 2-3 years because all I ever want to watch is available either through Netflix or Hulu or on the internet and comes without stupid ads and with much better quality.

If you want the absolute best image quality and motion ANY TV can provide then you need to go for high-end plasma TV's like Samsung 50" (or 60") PNF8500, which is considered to be the world's best TV with the best image quality by many reviewers and HT{C enthusiasts. I I think depending on how you calibrate, you can get 30000:1 contrast ratio out of it and near-absolute black levels. It used to cost only $1200 a year ago. What is special about it is that unlike most plasma TV's, PNF8500 is the first plasma that can provide HIGH brightness (highest of all plasma TV's ever build) that looks good in bright environments. Your other choices are the very expensive Panasonic VT60 or ZT60 plasma TV's with contrast ratio similar to Samsung PNF8500. These 2 Panasonic TV's are considered to be the best TV's not only by reviewers and HTPC enthusiasts, but also color scientists, professional calibrators, and display experts. There is also an amazing Panasonic ST60 (40" & 50") with contrast ratio of about 15000:1 (@ 120cd/m^2 brightness) after calibration. Its not the highest-end plasma, but high-end. It costs less than VT/ZT60, but I think the 40" version was sold only in Europe. I would best that ST60 is the BEST BUY for those NOT on the budget.

There 2 main differences between Samsung PNF8500 and Panasonic VT/ZT60 plasma TV's. VT/ZT60 cannot produce a bright images like Samsung PNF8500. Therefore VT/ZT60 sets are best used in dark environments. There is another difference between Samsung PNF8500/5350/5300 and Panasonic VT/ZT/ST60/S60. There is something called APL (Average Picture Level, I think... not sure). A low APL is an image with very low-brightness content (not related to display brightness). High APL is an image with bright content (not related to display brightness). Most film content (90%) uses low APL. However, once in a while, film scenes can consist of bright sky or white background or overall bright scenes. Plasma TV's use a lot of electricity and because of their fragile technology, they sometimes have to limit their voltage and temporarily change display brightness during high APL scenes. That is correct - all of Samsung recent plasma TV's and all of recent Panasonic's plasma TV's actually get a visible temporary brightness reduction during high APL scenes. The difference between PNF8500 and VT/ZT60 is that during those high APL scenes, PNF8500 black levels rise drastically and contrast ratio decreases big-time (from 30000:1 to 3000:1 or so), while VT/ZT60 black levels stay exactly the same. Is this a big deal? No, not really. After watching 5-6 films on my mom's PNF5350, I experienced maybe 40-60 seconds total of high APL content that reduces display brightness, raised black levels, and decreased contrast ratio. That leaves this APL black level difference as something minor. All of the mentioned plasma TV's have too high of an input lag to be considered for gaming, even Single-Player gaming, BUT some people are OK with it. Also, I think high APL scenes are far more frequent in games than they are in films.

For gaming, Sony VA 1080p HDTV's with "Clearer" 60Hz light-strobing and low input lag is your best choice. I think Sony uses such good panels only in their expensive high-end panels, but I would have to look it up to be certain. I am also not sure if Sony makes 4K versions of TV's with "Clearer" and low input lag - I would have to look it up.

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