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[swe] Nvidia promises support for G-Sync competitor Adaptive-Sync

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While enthusiasts are waiting to try AMD Freesync Nvidia is planning to steal rampjuset by doing the same, and implement support for DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync, even though the technology in practice compete with Nvidia G-Sync. This was stated at a secret press conference in San Francisco for the launch of the new Maxwell-based graphics card Geforce GTX 980 and GTX 970 .
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Placed in rumors because there's no real source but since it's from sweclockers I'd say it's pretty trustworthy. Also Nvidia is acting nicely this week.
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Another reason why AMD marketing fails. They started this crusade against NVidia about their pricing and closed/proprietary tech... How does NVidia respond? They put out the best bang for buck graphics card and support open standards. Such an easy response and now AMD can't say a thing.

Good job AMD you just handed NVidia two big advantages you had over them.
 
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Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post

Another reason why AMD marketing fails. They started this crusade against NVidia about their pricing and closed/proprietary tech... How does NVidia respond? They put out the best bang for buck graphics card and support open standards. Such an easy response and now AMD can't say a thing.

Good job AMD you just handed NVidia two big advantages you had over them.
To be fair, what were the chances of nVidia doing this with their history? I say very, very slim XD

But yeah, it's quite logical seeing that AMD managed to push their side of it into the DP/VESA standards. Deliberately not supporting a set of standarised features would be silly.
 
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Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post

Another reason why AMD marketing fails. They started this crusade against NVidia about their pricing and closed/proprietary tech... How does NVidia respond? They put out the best bang for buck graphics card and support open standards. Such an easy response and now AMD can't say a thing.

Good job AMD you just handed NVidia two big advantages you had over them.
It wouldn't be good for Nvidia business to not support a VESA standard, so in fact this is a victory for AMD who has pushed FreeSync into a standard instead of something proprietary..this could potentially kill a reason to have G-Sync.
 
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Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post

Another reason why AMD marketing fails. They started this crusade against NVidia about their pricing and closed/proprietary tech... How does NVidia respond? They put out the best bang for buck graphics card and support open standards. Such an easy response and now AMD can't say a thing.

Good job AMD you just handed NVidia two big advantages you had over them.
Why so much hostility towards AMD lately? I'm currently an Nvidia user and I've had my frustrations with AMD products but it's like people want AMD to go under lately, when exactly a year ago at this time everyone was loving AMD for the Hawaii launch and Mantle. Do you people have any idea how bad it would be for everyone (other than Nvidia shareholders) if AMD actually went belly-up? I mean come on, supporting the little guy helps the whole industry, we all know this. AMD did some awesome things last fall and they still couldn't stop posting net losses. If/when they finally go under, you can pretty much say goodbye to GPU progress, innovation, and any reasonably powerful GPUs for anybody who's not extremely wealthy.
 
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Why so much hostility towards AMD lately? I'm currently an Nvidia user and I've had my frustrations with AMD products but it's like people want AMD to go under lately, when exactly a year ago at this time everyone was loving AMD for the Hawaii launch and Mantle. Do you people have any idea how bad it would be for everyone (other than Nvidia shareholders) if AMD actually went belly-up? I mean come on, supporting the little guy helps the whole industry, we all know this. AMD did some awesome things last fall and they still couldn't stop posting net losses. If/when they finally go under, you can pretty much say goodbye to GPU progress, innovation, and any reasonably powerful GPUs for anybody who's not extremely wealthy.
Thats why I dont want them to go under but AMD needs to step their game up, they're attacking Nvidia "personally" instead of putting their money where their mouth is.
Did they all just graduate from middle school? I expect more from AMD than slander.
 
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Interesting.

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Originally Posted by iamhollywood5 View Post

Why so much hostility towards AMD lately? I'm currently an Nvidia user and I've had my frustrations with AMD products but it's like people want AMD to go under lately, when exactly a year ago at this time everyone was loving AMD for the Hawaii launch and Mantle. Do you people have any idea how bad it would be for everyone (other than Nvidia shareholders) if AMD actually went belly-up? I mean come on, supporting the little guy helps the whole industry, we all know this. AMD did some awesome things last fall and they still couldn't stop posting net losses. If/when they finally go under, you can pretty much say goodbye to GPU progress, innovation, and any reasonably powerful GPUs for anybody who's not extremely wealthy.
It's not so much hostility, just slightly humorous you could say after the instigating PR that has been going on for the past 14 months. Anyone who wants AMD to fail needs their head checked. It would make this industry both boring and even more expensive
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Not a surprise, but I'm still betting G-Sync will be a better experience than Adaptive Sync.
 
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Thats why I dont want them to go under but AMD needs to step their game up, they're attacking Nvidia "personally" instead of putting their money where their mouth is.
Did they all just graduate from middle school? I expect more from AMD than slander.
This. Put up and do normal marketing, sleaziness however is just hurting them. I want them to be in business because a one-horse race sucks, but...
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Amd was too busy trash talking to see this coming. Wonder what they're going to try to trash talk about now.
Dunno, maybe they'll claim NVidia was too slow to adopt the standard that hasn't even come out yet and no product in existence is going to support for months to come yet?
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Why so much hostility towards AMD lately? I'm currently an Nvidia user and I've had my frustrations with AMD products but it's like people want AMD to go under lately, when exactly a year ago at this time everyone was loving AMD for the Hawaii launch and Mantle. Do you people have any idea how bad it would be for everyone (other than Nvidia shareholders) if AMD actually went belly-up? I mean come on, supporting the little guy helps the whole industry, we all know this. AMD did some awesome things last fall and they still couldn't stop posting net losses. If/when they finally go under, you can pretty much say goodbye to GPU progress, innovation, and any reasonably powerful GPUs for anybody who's not extremely wealthy.
No one wants them to go under. I would say most, if not everyone, would like them to be successful including myself.

They NEED to market themselves better.

People were happy with Hawaii and mantle because they actually put out a good product. Lately AMDs marketing has been doing stuff like baiting NVidia into competing BETTER against them...

The overhyped product launches, unfiltered twitter accounts, and ambiguous announcements aren't helping either. Their marketing team needs a SERIOUS shake up.
 
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Not a surprise, but I'm still betting G-Sync will be a better experience than Adaptive Sync.
Better...based on what?
A more controlled and consistent experience. Adaptive Sync's implementation is based purely on the monitor vendor and the scalars they use. Why do you think the G-Sync module cost over $100? It's not JUST because they want to price gouge. The module has processing and has multiple dram chips for lookaside. It's an engineered solution. Adpative Sync can work just as well as g-sync ONLY if the monitor vendors put in that kind of R&D and equipment into their monitors.

Adaptive Sync is a spec. It doesn't tell you how best to implement this spec for the least amount of input lag or stutter.

Again, it's not impossible monitor vendors can't do a good job. It's just nvidia is able to certify every g-sync monitor for consistent experience through hardware control and testing validation.
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This. Put up and do normal marketing, sleaziness however is just hurting them. I want them to be in business because a one-horse race sucks, but...
Dunno, maybe they'll claim NVidia was too slow to adopt the standard that hasn't even come out yet and no product in existence is going to support for months to come yet?
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So basically AMD saying that FreeSync is a better alternative to G-Sync and trying to push it as a standard is bad sleazy marketing? True enough that there are no FreeSync monitor coming anytime soon but that not in AMDs hands they pushed it off to VESA and manufacturers.
 
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A more controlled and consistent experience. Adaptive Sync's implementation is based purely on the monitor vendor and the scalars they use. Why do you think the G-Sync module cost over $100? It's not JUST because they want to price gouge. The module has processing and has multiple dram chips for lookaside. It's an engineered solution. Adpative Sync can work just as well as g-sync ONLY if the monitor vendors put in that kind of R&D and equipment into their monitors.

Adaptive Sync is a spec. It doesn't tell you how best to implement this spec for the least amount of input lag or stutter.

Again, it's not impossible monitor vendors can't do a good job. It's just nvidia is able to certify every g-sync monitor for consistent experience through hardware control and testing validation.
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Your statements are contradicting, if a manufacturer wants to incorporate adaptive vsync into their monitors they will have to implement the required specification DP 1.2a?... Its no different than any other specification. They would have to use the scalar that's supports the spec, I don't see the issue

Nvidias approach is completely different they made it that's why they charge $100, its intellectual tech
 
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Originally Posted by Syan48306 View Post

A more controlled and consistent experience. Adaptive Sync's implementation is based purely on the monitor vendor and the scalars they use. Why do you think the G-Sync module cost over $100? It's not JUST because they want to price gouge. The module has processing and has multiple dram chips for lookaside. It's an engineered solution. Adpative Sync can work just as well as g-sync ONLY if the monitor vendors put in that kind of R&D and equipment into their monitors.

Adaptive Sync is a spec. It doesn't tell you how best to implement this spec for the least amount of input lag or stutter.

Again, it's not impossible monitor vendors can't do a good job. It's just nvidia is able to certify every g-sync monitor for consistent experience through hardware control and testing validation.
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It costs over $100 because it's a very expensive FPGA solution (>$200/unit, dunno about bulk) used to get the product to market quickly. By the time Async scalers are ready, we should see Gsync ASIC scalers as well so the price difference should disappear.
 
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Originally Posted by Syan48306 View Post

A more controlled and consistent experience. Adaptive Sync's implementation is based purely on the monitor vendor and the scalars they use. Why do you think the G-Sync module cost over $100? It's not JUST because they want to price gouge. The module has processing and has multiple dram chips for lookaside. It's an engineered solution. Adpative Sync can work just as well as g-sync ONLY if the monitor vendors put in that kind of R&D and equipment into their monitors.

Adaptive Sync is a spec. It doesn't tell you how best to implement this spec for the least amount of input lag or stutter.

Again, it's not impossible monitor vendors can't do a good job. It's just nvidia is able to certify every g-sync monitor for consistent experience through hardware control and testing validation.
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Your statements are contradicting, if a manufacturer wants to incorporate adaptive vsync into their monitors they will have to implement the required specification DP 1.2a?... Its no different than any other specification.

Nvidias approach is completely different they made it that's why they charge $100, its intellectual tech
Case and point:

A manufacture can CHOOSE to implement the optional extensions of 1.2a to enable adaptive sync, but without processing, adaptive frame rates would not result in a good gaming experience. The spec is just an outline of what needs to be done to enable a power saving feature. Smooth gameplay on the other hand is a bit more difficult and requires intellegent processing. Knowing when to draw a frame and when to hold off and what to do. This is NOT part of the 1.2a optional extensions aka adaptive sync.
 
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Originally Posted by iamhollywood5 View Post

Why so much hostility towards AMD lately? I'm currently an Nvidia user and I've had my frustrations with AMD products but it's like people want AMD to go under lately, when exactly a year ago at this time everyone was loving AMD for the Hawaii launch and Mantle. Do you people have any idea how bad it would be for everyone (other than Nvidia shareholders) if AMD actually went belly-up? I mean come on, supporting the little guy helps the whole industry, we all know this. AMD did some awesome things last fall and they still couldn't stop posting net losses. If/when they finally go under, you can pretty much say goodbye to GPU progress, innovation, and any reasonably powerful GPUs for anybody who's not extremely wealthy.
There's a lot of Nvidia fanboys in this Forum. Not a bad thing, but definitely showing bias towards the green side. They're pretty intelligent people and very "fair" unlike most green fans. PostalTwinkie for example openly ridicules most AMD marketing. While distasteful... Is unnecessary. Never saw Alatar say something openly negative about nvidia either.
 
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Originally Posted by iamhollywood5 View Post

Why so much hostility towards AMD lately? I'm currently an Nvidia user and I've had my frustrations with AMD products but it's like people want AMD to go under lately, when exactly a year ago at this time everyone was loving AMD for the Hawaii launch and Mantle. Do you people have any idea how bad it would be for everyone (other than Nvidia shareholders) if AMD actually went belly-up? I mean come on, supporting the little guy helps the whole industry, we all know this. AMD did some awesome things last fall and they still couldn't stop posting net losses. If/when they finally go under, you can pretty much say goodbye to GPU progress, innovation, and any reasonably powerful GPUs for anybody who's not extremely wealthy.
NVIDIA shareholders do not want AMD to go under. You do realize what happens to companies that are (true) monopolies in the US right?

Also I hate the idea that AMD is a "little guy" yeah no, way to fall for their fail marketing.
 
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NVIDIA shareholders do not want AMD to go under. You do realize what happens to companies that are (true) monopolies in the US right?

Also I hate the idea that AMD is a "little guy" yeah no, way to fall for their fail marketing.
Hard to be a graphics monopoly when there are countless other graphics companies in the mobile arena. Imagination Tech, Qualcomm, rumors are Samsung is building a GPU...

The fact that NV puts the same architecture into mobile probably makes it easier to call them competitors.
 
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