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#1 ·
Hi everyone!
I am seeking help regarding an appropriate power supply. For now, I am just making plans. At the end of the year, there will be a huge sale (Australian Boxing Day). I'm not quite sure what to expect from the sale but prices are expected to drop dramatically. I'll also pick up parts if they go cheap on the way. I will be building my first PC. I am looking to build a PC with a $1000 budget with maximum performance and a colour scheme (either black and gold or black red and gold). My current list of planned parts exceed my $1000 budget but they have been chosen with consideration of sales. Also, if anyone has opinions regarding any other particular parts, feel free to express them. The PC will be an all purpose PC. I wish to play games such as Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls and Counter Strike Global Offensive on high settings with steady framerates (my laptop currently sh**s bricks on D3RoS lowest settings in ACT V and just suffices with games on lowest settings). I may also do a little bit of photo editing on Adobe Photoshop here and there. I'm quite nooby so please don't flame. I'd also like build validation.
My planned list of parts (All prices were found from local sources in Australia and are in AUD) (Parts from centrecom.com.au and pccasegear.com) :
Case:
-Phanteks Enthoo Pro ($119)
OR
-Cooler Master Storm Scout 2 ($99)
OR
-Bitfenix Shinobi Windowed ($79)
OR
-NZXT H440 ($159)
OR
-Bitfenix Neos ($75)
OR
-Corsair 230T ($109)
OR
-NZXT Phantom 410 ($129)
CPU:
-Intel Core i5-4690K ($264) (I have chosen an overclockable CPU but I have no plans for overclocking just yet until I am familiar with the PC and wish to boost the performance)
OR
-Intel Core i5 4460 ($219)
Motherboard:
-ASUS Z87 Deluxe (Bought $99)
Graphics card:
-Gainward GTX770 Phantom 2GB (Bought $299)
RAM:
-Kingston Hyper X Fury 8GB 1600MHZ ($95)
Power Supply (Not quite sure here):
-Cooler Master 450W V series ($95)
OR
-Cooler Master 550W V series ($115)
OR
-Cooler Master 650W V series ($125)
CPU cooling:
-Cooler Master Seidon 120V ($56.50)
HDD:
-Seagate Barracuda 1TB ($62)
SSD:
-Samsung 840 EVO 120GB (Bought $79)

Thanks in advance!
 
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#2 ·
Case:
-Corsair Carbide Spec-03 ($79)
OR
-Corsair Carbide Spec-01 ($69.50)
CPU:
-Intel Core it-4690K ($264) (I have chosen an overclockable CPU but I have no plans for overclocking just yet until I am familiar with the PC and wish to boost the performance)
Motherboard:
-ASUS Z97 Sabertooth Mark 2 ($215) (blue build)
OR
-MSI Z97-G55-SLI ($175.50) (blue build)
OR
-ASUS ROG Maximus VII Ranger Z97 ($214) (red build)
OR
-MSI Z97 Gaming 3 ($185) (red build)
Graphics card:
-ASUS Radeon R9 280 ($248)
OR
-ASUS Radeon R9 270 ($205)
RAM:
-G.Skill 8GB 1866/1600MHZ ($105)
OR
-G.Skill/Corsair 16GB RAM ($208-$215)
Power Supply (Not quite sure here):
-Corsair GS600 ($105) (blue build)
OR
-Corsair GS700 ($125.50) (blue or red build)
OR
-Some other power supply
CPU cooling:
-Corsair H100i Liquid cooling ($149)
OR
-Noctua NH-U9-SE2 AIO ($59.50)
HDD:
-Seagate Barracuda 1TB ($62)
SSD:
-Intel 520 120GB ($79)
OR
-Samsung 840 EVO 120GB ($79)
Optical drives:
-ASUS OEM DVD RW ($22)

CASE:SPEC 3
mobo : ASUS ROG Maximus VII Ranger
cpu: 4790K..these two chips are so close to price its not worth getting the i5 over the i7...
ram: go with corsair 16gb low profile dimms..the 1600 c9 kits are very good
psu(power supply) i wouldnt go with the gs series..my two top choices go to the Cooler Master V850 or the Corsair Hx850/i
other good chioses are the Corsair rm Series 750w/
GPU: ditch the older series gpu and splash out rather for new current tech - minimum a Gtx 970 or last tech Gtx 770 at minimum.the nvidia cards are alot lighter on the power and heat side of things..even if they are more expensive

Cooling: without a doubt CM SEIDON 240..a friend of mine has one..and even with just the two included fans..in push or pull...it keeps his cpu way under 50 under xtreme load and he plays only online games like Minecraft ect.which have proven to be cpu/gpu/ram intense...
plus it has none of those pump software issues the corsair units have with the link software...

hd: storage go for the 3tb sata6gb version..costs almost the same as a 1tb..so go for more space
SSD for OS; Crucial mx100 ...it will be cheaper and just as reliable as the intel...plus for the price of the intel/samsung ssd ..you can get the crucial 256 or 512 gb version for less cost or same...more value for money and space...
dvd drive..doesnt matter what one...ive moved away from the samsung and lg ones and use an asus myself...very reliable.have had it for 3years now without a glitch...

if you need any other advice with the actual building and such..please pm me anytime
Its what i do..i biuld gaming setups..budget or not...
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#3 ·
You dont need more then a 450 to a 550 watts PSU all those models are overkill.
Get a Cooler Master V550S aka VS aka VSM aka Vanguard instead.
 
#4 ·
Those particular models were chosen for the colour scheme. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to PC building. My local PC store doesn't sell the Cooler Master V550S. So far, I've been told 450-550 watts is sufficient but other sources say that is insufficient and I should aim for about 800 minimum. Hypothetical situation: Let's say I overclock everything I can to the maximum safe running degree, what is the minimum PSU wattage I will need. Please refer particular brands and models to me.
 
#5 ·
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Originally Posted by tenaji View Post

Those particular models were chosen for the colour theme. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to PC building. My local PC store doesn't sell the Cooler Master V550S. So far, I've been told 450-550 watts is sufficient but other sources say that is insufficient and I should aim for about 800 minimum. Hypothetical situation: Let's say I overclock everything I can to the maximum safe running degree, what is the minimum PSU wattage I will need. Please refer particular brands and models to me.
I dont know who has told you 800 watts min but they dont know what they are talking about at all, a PC with a high end single video card with overclocks on EVERYTHING can be power by 550 watts, if the video card is a mid range model or lower then a 450 watts is more then enough if you dont have a video card at all in the system then even a 300 watt can power eveything and thats still WITH overclocks on CPU and RAM and a bunch of fans HDD/SSD´s and everything else you have in a PC.

We have a list you can use if you need help
http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies

Just note that not everything on the list is all great.
Welcome to OCN by the way.
 
#6 ·
in all honesty ..better to be safe than sorry shilka....if decides to Xfire or SLI later on and get into OCin..550 aint gon to cut it...
RM750
RM850

V700
V850

Hx750
HX850

something worth buying at least..its his first build..and i from personal stand point know how it feels regretting buying parts on a budget and regretting certain things afterwards and a psu is something that always does the most demanding thing of all-has to deliver oomph 24/7 for the system:thumb:
 
#7 ·
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Originally Posted by X-PREDATOR View Post

in all honesty ..better to be safe than sorry shilka....if decides to Xfire or SLI later on and get into OCin..550 aint gon to cut it...
RM750
RM850

V700
V850

Hx750
HX850

something worth buying at least..its his first build..and i from personal stand point know how it feels regretting buying parts on a budget and regretting certain things afterwards and a psu is something that always does the most demanding thing of all-has to deliver oomph 24/7 for the system:thumb:
The Corsair RM is not worth buying at all.
 
#9 ·
You dont need more then 550 watts unless you are going to have 2 video cards, there is more then enough headroom left with 550 watts, unless you are going to volt mod the video card or have 2 video cards, there is no reason to have way too much wattage that will just drop the efficiency of the PSU.
And the Corsair RM is not worth buying becasue its rubbish.
 
#10 ·
so you would have him buy a smaller psu..with less headroom for expansion and if he does expand to sli/Xfire maybe...hell have to upgrade the psu again?
doesnt make sense shilka...
were both tryin to help him..so wouldnt it be better getting a proper 700-850w psu from the start?
yes its wasted power..but having more to play with also makes the psu not over work itself by being to close to the max!
 
#11 ·
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Originally Posted by X-PREDATOR View Post

so you would have him buy a smaller psu..with less headroom for expansion and if he does expand to sli/Xfire maybe...hell have to upgrade the psu again?
doesnt make sense shilka...
were both tryin to help him..so wouldnt it be better getting a proper 700-850w psu from the start?
yes its wasted power..but having more to play with also makes the psu not over work itself by being to close to the max!
It makes perfect sense if you know how PSUs work on a component level(optional) and understand what kind of power draw the parts being used have.
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Lets assume the worst:
1. 24/7 100% system load
2. 300W GPU
3. 150W CPU
4. 20W from RAM
For a grand total of 470W.
Asuming a 550w unit, that leaves a total of 80W of power for EVERYTHING else in the system.
Thats 15+ mechanical HDDs and Fans etc.

Taking into account how the whole 80+ Cert system(and PSUs in general) works you can also assume that buying a massive overkill PSU is less efficient than running a PSU at just under its rating, meaning you are spending more money on your PSU ourtight AND more money over its lifespan on your electricity bill. Granted that is probably a fairly small amout, but its still there.
Same goes for "stressing" a PSU. A good PSU can and will run near or at its rated wattage for its entire life with no issues as they are rated for constant voltage not peak voltage, so there is no reason not to figure out what kind of power your parts will need, add 50 watts or so and call it good.
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Buying a bigger PSU "just in case" you want to go multi-card in the future is a waste of money.
I can count on one hand how many times ive seen people spend the extra for a bigger PSU and actually buy a second card later over the past several years.

Buy what you need, not what you MIGHT need.

That being said, OP, Look at the list shilka linked for something ~500W and see whats available in your area.
Let us know what you can get and we will see what will do the best for the least money.
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As for the rest of the build, you selected good parts.
Most of them are kind of a "close your eyes and pick one" situation in my opinion, but i'm sure we have members who can shed more light on the specifics than I can these days.
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That is, if you want help with them.
 
#12 ·
Hi all,
My parts will be sourced from centrecom.com.au or pccasegear.com. Those are the two local sources for parts where I'm from. With that being said, I'm more looking for parts from centrecom. Also, red build is my first preference. I also intend to overclock the computer at one point in time or another.
 
#13 ·
From Centrecom I see the Antec HCG 520 which if im not mistaken is a solid, if not fantastic, unit.
Thats all that catches my eye from them unfortunatley

pccasegear has a better selection in your wattage range

The G-550 is usually a safe bet as the G-series is pretty much solid across the board, and the M12II 520 is old but still a serviceable platform
I also THINK the FSP Aurum S 550 is a good buy, especially with that price difference.

Once again, im a little out of date on this stuff, so I may be off on specific units these days
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#18 ·
fanboys or not..stupid or not..id rather buy a corsair or CM psu for rest of my soul sake that i know im getting super support services..
both CM % corsair have great support when it comes to rma support..very often no ?'s asked..just straight up helpfull..
true theres many great value budget psu'
no 1 is saying thrre arnt..

but were here to give/help this builder a solid choice..good guidelines..which we all are doin? agreed?

buying a great 550w psu to have it pull 350-450w and leaving little headroom for OCin fun isnt a good choice..and the AuS..whether is very humid and hot in most parts..
so buying a better qaulity unit at 650-850w is a better choice..
at minimum a 650w..
my hx650 ran solid for 3years..without a glitch till i started adding more stuff to my pc..ocing..it just couldnt handle the xtra load...corsair replaced my unit with a new hx750w no frills or nonsense...all i had to do is send back the faulty unit...so hows that for support
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

Its way overpriced and its overrated and overhyped to the extreme by stupid fanboys, you can get tons of other units for the money or less that are way better then the Corsair RM therefore its not worth buying.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1455892/why-you-might-not-want-to-buy-a-corsair-rm-psu
You didn't say it's "overpriced" and there are better buys out there. What you did say was "It's not worth buying at all" and "It's not worthing buying because it's rubbish" both absolute statements and both untrue. It's worth of buying depends on it's price vs the competition which can change over time. It may not be a good "value for the dollar" choice right now but that doesn't mean it won't be tomorrow. And you say rubbish, Oklahoma Wolf (who provides in depth reasoning) says otherwise. Yours is a statement of opinion, his is a statement of opinion backed up with test data and experience.

Edit - And calling ANY product "rubbish" without any solid reason or data to back it up, I think is wholly unfair and puts it in a category with companies like Deer in people's minds.
 
#20 ·
tenaji

you said to me something about silverstone..
what size & model was it precisely?
look @
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=447&area=en
these are pretty decent units .
if this is what you were referring to id say go for a 750w and be done with it...

dont make the mistake i made by getting a too small unit..regardless if it has a strong 12V rail or not..
better having a higher W psu with a strong
12V rail and has lotsa headroom than
goin for 550w with little headroom..
anything above 50@mps on the 12v rail with good reviews...
like the xfx editions..fractal..nzxt..corsair..cm..
PC power cooling mk silencer series..

do some good research..johnny guru..
linus tech tips..all of the possible places..google till you mind hurts..
if you have any doubts..pm me anytime..
 
#23 ·
I did consider Seasonic PSUs. One thing is, Centrecom doesn't stock Seasonic products, only PCCaseGear does. I'm looking to buy everything from one source. I could buy everything from PCCaseGear but I'll decide as the big sale day comes.
 
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