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well theres those reasons, but 1x first slot and 16x 2nd slot is a good idea none the less.
most users would stick a sound-card or wifi-card on that 1st slot, and place the GPU on the 2nd slot.
heck even MATX users that doesn't go SLI/CF would stick a sound-card on the 3rd or 4th slot, and GPU on the first slot.

these types of boards are compatible with most dual-slot ITX cases (if using single-slot GPUs), or triple-slot ITX cases and MATX cases.
and such a smaller design could save them some money on mass production, smaller board, less components and a universal design.


on a side note, the only reason why ITX isn't that much of a popular choice is because its quite a bit more expensive than entry MATX boards.
and the reason why ITX is expensive is probably because they've only targeted the high-end market with their ITX boards.
since high-end ITX boards have more components, this also means they're using a PCB with more layers, which is a lot more expensive.

if they could release ITX boards at the price thats equal to entry MATX boards ($60~$80) then quite a bit of users would switch towards those boards.

The egg and the chicken problem. For ITX to be cheaper they would have to sell more of these, to sell more of these they would need to have it cheaper.

Ofc the reality is a bit more complex than just the economics of scale. One possibility why ITX is more expensive can be that some manufacturers use more layers in the PCB for ITX board for getting everything done that needs to be done. PCB cost goes up a lot faster with more layers than with more surface area. Miniaturization itself is more expensive than materials saved after a certain point - I have no glue if the ITX is above that point or not - in principle it should not be because they are basically using exactly the same components as on mATX boards as far as I can tell.

Main reason why DTX is not done in any significant numbers is probably, as stated, that the companies consider the niche so small that its not worth it to target it. I mean it sits between ITX and mATX and vast majority of people probably do not care a lot about that 60 mm difference between these form factors. Who need to go small go for ITX, who need to go for bang for buck go for mATX and then what you have left over is tiny tiny niche of people who want to have it small but also want to have a second PCI-e slot. Out of that small niche there is some sub-segment who would be willing to pay a significant premium over ITX or mATX to have that second PCIe slot in that from-factor-size. Under such conditions one would be selling perhaps few thousand such motherboards per year.
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well theres those reasons, but 1x first slot and 16x 2nd slot is a good idea none the less.
most users would stick a sound-card or wifi-card on that 1st slot, and place the GPU on the 2nd slot.
heck even MATX users that doesn't go SLI/CF would stick a sound-card on the 3rd or 4th slot, and GPU on the first slot.

these types of boards are compatible with most dual-slot ITX cases (if using single-slot GPUs), or triple-slot ITX cases and MATX cases.
and such a smaller design could save them some money on mass production, smaller board, less components and a universal design.


on a side note, the only reason why ITX isn't that much of a popular choice is because its quite a bit more expensive than entry MATX boards.
and the reason why ITX is expensive is probably because they've only targeted the high-end market with their ITX boards.
since high-end ITX boards have more components, this also means they're using a PCB with more layers, which is a lot more expensive.

if they could release ITX boards at the price thats equal to entry MATX boards ($60~$80) then quite a bit of users would switch towards those boards.

You know what's funny? The cheapest mATX boards have pretty much a perfect DTX form factor.
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You know what's funny? The cheapest mATX boards have pretty much a perfect DTX form factor.

exactly my point, they just need to mass produce said design.
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Or, just buy a mATX board and saw the bottom two slots off!
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Or, just buy a mATX board and saw the bottom two slots off!

as if that could work. wink.gif

seriously though, isn't this thread supposed to encourage DTX demand?
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seriously though, isn't this thread supposed to encourage DTX demand?

Not much we can do at this point, think the reps that could've been contacted have been. We could keep bugging them, but I don't think that would make a difference.

Guess we just have to wait for an engineer to see the light.
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i just wish they'd design an expansion port like the thunderbolt port, 12V power delivery with 8x PCIe lanes, that would allow external units or internal expansion boards.
Well there already IS Thunderbolt and OCuLink is on the way as a native x4 PCIe 3.0 connector both internal and external. They just need to actually be better utilized, and it might also help if they supported connection ganging so you could actually have 8 or 16 lanes.
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I'm now on this boat.
What sold me was seeing how well single slot cards could be watercooled when next to each other. Then I got this idea in my head...
Mini dtx x99
lots of ram
2 fury x or nano.

Linux as the main OS
Windows virtual machine with hardware

2 machines, each with 3-4 HT cores and its own GPU.
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I can see that motherboard being used in the
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I'm now on this boat.
What sold me was seeing how well single slot cards could be watercooled when next to each other. Then I got this idea in my head...
Mini dtx x99
lots of ram
2 fury x or nano.

Linux as the main OS
Windows virtual machine with hardware

2 machines, each with 3-4 HT cores and its own GPU.

Now imagine that system in a lean li tu100 or tu200. Fully portable dual system lan party machine!
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Well someone is too impatient to wait for mDTX release... thumb.gif

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