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I am convinced that Asus just doesn't care about Thunderbolt technology. It makes absolutely so since why their flagship workstation motherboard does not support TB3 and to prove my point, completely removing the feature in their latest workstation board X99-E-10G WS.
post #3472 of 4073
Toxic BIOS:

I always try every BIOS revision because I'm curious, although I haven't done any serious load testing lately. When I got around to it, I was surprised to find that on the latest revision (3302), I needed about 100mv more vccin and about 50mv more vcache to keep my rig stable. Temps were up considerably with 2.000v CPU input. I wasn't willing to leave it that high.

So I immediately rolled back to the most recent BIOS that I'd tested thoroughly and was pleased with (1301), and everything is just as I'd left it: 4.6 GHz core and 4.2 GHz cache using 1.900 vccin, 1.344 vcore, and 1.300 vcache. Temps are back to normal too.

I can't say which BIOS revision the stability problem started with. I just want to leave this here in case anyone else is having a problem. One of the recent BIOS revisions obviously introduced some rubbish. I know they've been focusing on improving feature support, and that's good, but they broke something basic along the way.
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I am convinced that Asus just doesn't care about Thunderbolt technology. It makes absolutely so since why their flagship workstation motherboard does not support TB3 and to prove my point, completely removing the feature in their latest workstation board X99-E-10G WS.

It's a real shame, too. This board was number one with a bullet on my list for my new build. Unfortunately, since I'm already going with the long-in-the-tooth X99 chipset, Thunderbolt 3 is a must-have for me to provide at least a modicum of future proofing. Now not only am I not buying the WS, I'm not buying an Asus board at all. The Gigabyte Designare looks to be the next best option with integrated Intel certified Thunderbolt 3.

Swing and a miss, Asus. sadsmiley.gif
post #3474 of 4073
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Toxic BIOS:

I always try every BIOS revision because I'm curious, although I haven't done any serious load testing lately. When I got around to it, I was surprised to find that on the latest revision (3302), I needed about 100mv more vccin and about 50mv more vcache to keep my rig stable. Temps were up considerably with 2.000v CPU input. I wasn't willing to leave it that high.

So I immediately rolled back to the most recent BIOS that I'd tested thoroughly and was pleased with (1301), and everything is just as I'd left it: 4.6 GHz core and 4.2 GHz cache using 1.900 vccin, 1.344 vcore, and 1.300 vcache. Temps are back to normal too.

I can't say which BIOS revision the stability problem started with. I just want to leave this here in case anyone else is having a problem. One of the recent BIOS revisions obviously introduced some rubbish. I know they've been focusing on improving feature support, and that's good, but they broke something basic along the way.


+1

And not to beat a dead horse, but I would just like to repeat my previous statement. Asus makes great hardware, but when it comes to their BIOS programmers they ought to clean house.
post #3475 of 4073
Thats a 1.2 tpm not a 2.0 i have same one you have in my system already I am looking for a 20 pin 2.0
post #3476 of 4073
Correction: Make that BIOS rev. 1302 and vcache 1.288v. Too much multitasking...
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Correction: Make that BIOS rev. 1302 and vcache 1.288v. Too much multitasking...

How's it going Fraggy?

We've been camping on BIOS rev 1302 as well. It took me a little while to arrive at a 100MHz BCLK stable OC (with your guide) and TBH I don't have time anymore to mess with stuff like this so if there is not a compelling reason to update BIOS version I am not gonna change it, since that means I have to re-do overclocks etc. I've been collecting the newer BIOS versions in case we need them, and since there seems to be strong evidence here that you can't just go straight to the particular version you want to try but instead have to hop/skip/jump through intermediate updates first. But it seems that for whatever stability improvements they may be making with the BIOS updates in newer updates they are also breaking stuff based on the feedback here.

From what I can tell the newer versions don't offer us anything we would need assuming we keep our Haswell-E chips. I don't see buying another (Broadwell 6950X) CPU to put on these boards. If it can't be done with a 5960X I probably don't need to be doing it.

This was my first Asus board in a very long time (I think the last one I bought and kept was a TX-97 or something like that - for Pentium MMX CPU's in the 90's). I tried another in 2004ish but it had a defective onboard intel NIC so I sent it back and bought a Supermicro. Looking back over everything in the last year I am not sure I would want to do it again. Asus support seems really bad. One of the main reasons I chose this board is because of the enterprise grade support, advanced replacement, etc. but none of that matters if they don't have replacements while your board is still under warranty. And the number of defective boards and need to RMA is beyond disturbing for the price of these boards.

On the other hand, there don't seem to really be any other manufacturers with X99 boards with the same set of features. The next closest I could find while shopping for X99 workstation-class boards was an Asrock workstation board, but theirs have those heatsinks on the southbridge area with fans on them that I know would quit working eventually. So I would never buy one. The days of me ripping factory heatsinks off and replacing them with waterblocks or aftermarket coolers are long over. I did it once ("Pharaoh"), and that was enough. Too much hassle for my schedule and the people using these blocks -- not to mention the the people manufacturing them -- do not exactly have a 100% success rate.
Edited by pharaohspaw - 9/26/16 at 3:40am
     
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About the temp. HWmonitor will report 30'C ++ than the actual temprature. Aida64 is working like a charm. smile.gif
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From what I can tell the newer versions don't offer us anything we would need assuming we keep our Haswell-E chips. I don't see buying another (Broadwell 6950X) CPU to put on these boards. If it can't be done with a 5960X I probably don't need to be doing it.

Hey Pharaospaw,

Really I think there's never a need to update a CPU that's only a few gens out of date, so long as it's unlocked. You can always OC your way to the performance you need. I bet an OC'd Sandy Bridge E would outperform a stock Broadwell E, and I bet it will at least draw level with a stock Skylake E, if not do a little better. Overclocking is a kind of future proofing.

I wonder if the Haswell-E stability problem on the X99-E WS BIOS might have started with rev. 3004, when Broadwell E support was added. I don't have time to methodically re-update and load-test each rev. above 1302 to find the culprit. I'm just glad to know that BIOS 1302 restores the performance that made me an enthusiastic fan of this board.

Kinda miss the blue UEFI interface though, lol.
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So it looks like the problem with my wife's rig is the Corsair H110i GTX. With rad fans and pump both up to full tilt, it is taking way too long to drop temperatures on the CPU. The other temperatures on the mobo, SSD's, DRAM, etc. are all normal/good.

What I mean by way too long -- when I was using AI Suite to do overclocking stress test runs on my basically identical rig I would set temp limits to stop at and watch the temps. For example setting the upper limit at 75C, and when those load tests would stop running, you could tell the cooling setup was doing its job because even if the temps were pushing the limit during the load test, you would see them RAPIDLY drop (like 15+ degrees C or more) as soon as the test had finished - ie, as soon as you saw the CPU cores "unpeg" the temps would rapidly drop.

Her machine, it is taking on the order of minutes to get her CPU temp down from 50C down to 40C'ish. It was not like that before but it definitely is now -- even with the Corsair Link software reporting 3120-3180 pump RPM's and fans being cranked up. I don't think the pump is actually pumping, or something else major is wrong. Others have similar symptoms with these units and series.

So I don't think the issue is the mobo, CPU, or thermal compound job anymore. I have pulled, completely cleaned (with Artic Silver 2-step thermal surface cleaner -- great stuff) and re-stuck her cooling block 3 times now. I *KNOW* I did it right the last time (and felt really good about the previous 2 times also). It's just the H110i GTX cooling setup.

I didn't want to believe it was the H110i GTX because the RPM's from the pump looked right - but it's pretty obvious now, looking at how poorly (slowly) it can drop the temperature on hers.

We got these just over a year ago when I built our rigs. I was hesitant to go with an all-in-one setup, knowing people have issues/complaints etc. and they are usually not the best of any part -- radiator, pump, waterblock, etc. But they're supposed to be easy and maintenance free. blah blah blah. I didn't want to spend months building our rigs.. smile.gif Anyway, now I'm looking for some inspiration on a custom CPU loop in HAF-X cases. ie, ways to mount a reservoir, rad for the CPU, etc. and fans.

If I'd known I would end up here (maybe I should have known, heh) I would bought different cases. Dunno what case this is in this post on another forum but it is a nice one.... (custom work is awesome too but I mean the case)

It is a bugger to get to anything in the pharaoh rig but at least if/when a pump dies I can just replace it and not have to mess with the waterblocks.
Edited by pharaohspaw - 9/26/16 at 5:17pm
     
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