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Mine boosted to 1342 at stock speed. Not worth overclocking if I have to run a program in memory constantly like Afterburner that's just gonna bog down my system and DWM with constant polling and ghetto hacks to interface with the card.

Wow, here you go again.

You understand that you can enable a profile in AB and then just CLOSE it right? Like, literally, exit it. Your card will be overclocked and none of the so called "bogging my system down" RTSS/AB monitors will be working.
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Originally Posted by Cyro999 View Post

The other cards with higher TDP and 0.05v higher support will clock better with an equal quality chip though. You have to be luckier with RNG to get an Asus card that'll do 1550 compared to a giga g1 / msi gaming
Right they should a G1 should be faster than all rest if you go by limits, but that doesn't always happen as each chip are there own .

but yes you have better chance of good results with a card with higher limits (especially if its not allowing 1.212 at least .
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Wow, here you go again.

You understand that you can enable a profile in AB and then just CLOSE it right? Like, literally, exit it. Your card will be overclocked and none of the so called "bogging my system down" RTSS/AB monitors will be working.
You can also customize how AB/RTSS works, how many graphs are monitored, what polling rate you want .

It really doesn't eat much cpu% if you manage it right , IMO .
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Dunno about the Asus one but i don't think you can go wrong with msi gaming 970. They (along with the giga g1 card, which is actually the one to get for performance) clock a bit higher, but you can maintain basically max overclock with 600-800rpm fan speeds. It's insane

60% fanspeed = 60c at 1500mhz.. and noise level of that feels like my windforce 770 at only ~40-45% or so. It's only around 1350rpm IIRC

Well, the Giga card is out due to its size. My Node 304 can't handle a 15" card.
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GTX 970 Feature Showdown: ASUS STRIX vs MSI Gaming vs Gigabyte G1





MSI GTX 970 Gaming

- Base core clock of 1051mhz w/boost 1178mhz (silent mode) / 1114mhz w/boost 1253mhz (gaming mode) / 1140mhz w/boost 1279mhz (OC mode); these selections apply to MSI's gaming app, otherwise the default core clock is 1114mhz w/boost 1253mhz
- Memory clock of 1753mhz (7010mhz effective); Samsung IC's
- 6 Phase power delivery
- 2 x DVI port, 1 x HDMI 2.0, 1 x DP v1.2
- Dual fan HSF design featuring idle fan shutoff (when under 60c); the overall height of the cooling solution is slightly less than two slots to provide better cooling for sli configurations.
- *1 x 6pin ATX power connector and 1 x 8 pin ATX power connector; combined max rated draw of 300w (75w pcie, 75w 6pin, 150w 8pin).
- Overall length of ~27cm (269mm)

Pros:

- Improved power delivery
- Samsung memory IC's; factory clocked for 7ghz but will often overclock to 7800-8000mhz
- *High maximum rated power draw (for overclocking purposes)
- Quiet air cooling solution
- Smallest/thinnest card (of the three compared); better for small cases and will perform better in sli configurations temperature wise
- Features a metal plate/heatsink covering the memory IC's and some circuitry on the front side of the PCB; more effective cooling in comparison to the STRIX card

Cons:

- No backplate
- *4 memory IC's on the rear side of the PCB; could result in lower overclocks due to no airflow/heatsink contact, also loses potential for a full cover block to properly cool all the memory IC's
- *Poor vrm cooling solution; small secondary heatsink that receives little airflow due to the placement of the 2 fan HSF design

ASUS GTX 970 STRIX

- Base core clock 1114mhz w/boost 1253mhz
- Memory clock of 1753mhz (7010mhz effective); Samsung IC's
- 6 Phase power delivery
- 2 x DVI port, 1 x HDMI 2.0, 1 x DP v1.2
- Dual fan HSF design featuring idle fan shutoff (when under 60c)
- *1 x 8 pin ATX power connector; combined max rated draw of 225w (75w pcie and 150w 8pin).
- Overall length of 28cm
- GPU Backplate

Pros:

- Improved power delivery
- Samsung memory IC's; factory clocked for 7ghz but will often overclock to 7800-8000mhz
- Passive cooling during idle/non-3d load; offers quieter performance
- Quiet air cooling solution
- Backplate
- *All 8 memory IC's are located on the front side of the pcb; better airflow and cooling (although the stock heatsink does not make any contact with the IC's), best solution when considering water cooling for highest memory overclocks

Cons:

- *Lowest stock TDP/Power limit; only 1 x 8pin ATX power connection, note this is fine for general overclocking and stock use but do not expect possible benchmark record performance
- Least effective cooling solution of the three concerning core, memory, and vrm temperatures.
- *Poor vrm cooling solution; small secondary heatsink that receives little airflow due to the placement of the 2 fan HSF design


Gigabyte GTX 970 Gaming G1

- Base core clock 1178mhz w/boost 1329mhz
- Memory clock of 1750mhz (7000mhz effective); Samsung IC's
- 5 Phase power delivery
- 2 x DVI port, 1 x HDMI 2.0, 3 x DP v1.2
- Triple fan HSF solution
- 1 x 6pin ATX power connector and 1 x 8 pin ATX power connector; combined max rated draw of 300w (75w pcie, 75w 6pin, 150w 8pin).
- Overall length of ~31cm (312mm)
- GPU Backplate

Pros:

- Improved power delivery
- Highest factory core clock/boost
- Samsung memory IC's; factory clocked for 7ghz but will often overclock to 7800-8000mhz
- High maximum rated power draw (for overclocking purposes)
- Most effective cooling solution (especially when it comes to VRM section of the board)
- Best air cooled solution
- *Highest stock TDP/Power Limit (for overclocking purposes)
- Backplate
- Most display connectivity 3xDP 1xHDMI 2xDVI

Cons:

- Loudest cooling solution of the three cards
- Largest and tallest card; not ideal for small cases or Sli conifgurations
- *4 memory IC's on the rear side of the PCB; could result in lower overclocks due to no airflow/heatsink contact, also loses potential for a full cover block to properly cool all the memory IC's

Hi, your post made me register to this forum, thanks for the great review.
So I got a question.
Between these 3 , based on your comments.
For SLI watercooling in the future, would the best be in this order?
1) Asus (due to backplate??)
2) MSI (due to size, not first because it doesnt have backplate)
3) Gigabyte (due to being the Largest and tallest card)

Is this right?

Thanks!
Edited by Sancor - 10/18/14 at 10:09am
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so is the g1 the winner/
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Isn't the Gigabyte G1 Gaming card shorter, just under 300mm, or are you suppose to include the I/O bracket?
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Originally Posted by Sancor View Post

Hi, your post made me register to this forum, thanks for the great review.
So I got a question.
Between these 3 , based on your comments.
For SLI watercooling in the future, would the best be in this order?
1) Asus (due to backplate??)
2) MSI (due to size, not first because it doesnt have backplate)
3) Gigabyte (due to being the Largest and tallest card)

Is this right?

Thanks!

Concerning water cooling, if you're going with a full block for any of these cards (Strix has a block that fits already, MSI is confirmed from EK, and theres a 99% chance we'll get a fullcover block for the G1) the block vendor generally offers a backplate, so there is no reason to pick any one of these cards specifically because of the backplate.

Gigabyte has the longest pcb by ~10mm, the physical pcb itself is around 11" +/- (I haven't had time to measure the pcb, will do so later), including the cooler and measuring from the inside of the i/o plate the card measures ~1cm less than 12".

The MSI and ASUS cards have taller pcb's than the gigabyte card, but they are marginally shorter (maybe 10mm).

Until we have the ability to flash a custom bios the G1 is the best card because it has the least limitations bios wise. If/when we can flash a bios all of the cards will be relatively similar in terms of oc potential, however the ASUS card will still be more limited due to only having the single 8-pin power connector (max rated draw up to 225w, G1 and MSI are up to 300w). If you're going to feed the card more volt's and really go for high oc's on water I'd pick up the MSI card or the Gigabyte card as the ASUS card may still run into power limit issues.

*Note, until custom bios can be flashed the G1 remains the top dog in terms of oc potential.
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But how much does the card (ASUS and gigabyte comparably) actually pull (TDP) when overclocked even to its max? Even with a 225W limitation to the asus it should clock just as well as the gigbyte (excluding cooling and such). Without bumping voltage at all people were achieving very good clocks. I guess my question is: What is the actual point of having more power on a card that can't really use it.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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But how much does the card (ASUS and gigabyte comparably) actually pull (TDP) when overclocked even to its max? Even with a 225W limitation to the asus it should clock just as well as the gigbyte (excluding cooling and such). Without bumping voltage at all people were achieving very good clocks. I guess my question is: What is the actual point of having more power on a card that can't really use it.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

It depends on the games/applications they're using. I have a G1 currently, at 1492/7600 1.212v my card has gone up to 101% and averages ~90%, so ~250w and ~225w respectively in Guild Wars 2. If I had a Strix (196w max) or MSI (220w max) card I'd be getting throttled due to the power limit. Loading will be different based on scenarios and I'd rather have the extra headroom than risk getting throttled.
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