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I am sure they will someday get long in the tooth, but if I had bought an i7 920 in 2008, I would still be fine today. But that was not my statement.

You are mostly inserting words in my mouth.

You stated that an FX8350 would be more futureproof via 8 cores. I said it was unlikely because if it is currently slower per core than the cheapest Intel haswell desktop 1150's cores, its not going to be any more futureproof than the Intel by virtue of its core count. I didn't even specify if the 8 core solutions of the future would be Intel or AMD.

Here is what I said.


I never said the 8350 would be future proof. I am saying that all current processors will become obsolete at about the same time because they all perform more or less equally. Intel cpu's are obviously better and faster for most tasks a home user encounters. But it is no where near enough of a difference to call it "future proofing". A generational leap in tech is what it would take and that is nowhere to be seen in today's landscape.
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I never said the 8350 would be future proof. I am saying that all current processors will become obsolete at about the same time because they all perform more or less equally. Intel cpu's are obviously better and faster for most tasks a home user encounters. But it is no where near enough of a difference to call it "future proofing". A generational leap in tech is what it would take and that is nowhere to be seen in today's landscape.
My apologies, it was Chargeit.
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I like my FX cpu. I just don't like it for high end gaming. In those cases I want to remove as many bottlenecks as possible. In day to day use, then the FX cpu will likely outlive a i5, and maybe even a i7 simply because of the higher core count.
    
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The OP getting noties on all these posts must be like.... blinksmiley.gif

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yep, but Indians are more friendly.

on topic, I still think upgrading is a bum deal.
Thanks. Nice to meet you. I'm an Indian biggrin.gif
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Let's keep in mind that most offices or companies don't upgrade until MS ends support for an OS....

So recently MS ended support for XP.... proper IT etiquette is to upgrade the entire organization prior to the OS being dropped. So in the last year, SEVERAL companies have gone to windows 7...... along with the OS upgrade, companies usually opt for a hardware upgrade too, since the common myth is "these 10 year old systems won't run windows 7" even though that is not always the case.

Our company upgraded everything over the last 6 months to these $500(built, packed, OS loaded) FX6200 systems, with 8GB RAM, HD6570 video cards, 1TB harddrives, nice thermaltake cases, and 970 UD3 motherboards, and Windows 7 pro x64 preinstalled. You read correctly, we did not order retail machines! I'm not sure if that was a good idea or not, but I do like being able to control my settings....though I think I am the only person in the office running theirs at 4.6GHz tongue.gif

The FX6200 compliments my use of 10-12 spreadsheets, 2 browser windows, 3-6 tabs in each, 2 remote desktop logins to our server, 5-20 PDF's open at any given time, and 5-20 outlook messages open at any given time, not to mention quickbooks multiuser with sever applets open in that. I am running two displays, and could make use of a third for sure.

I don't notice any limitations on this system other than that of the HDD, and the network itself when under load.

My point being..... this system will do fine for the next 10 years, because the tasks I do, and software I use won't change for 10 years (EDIT: I mean, I do totally plan on moving up in this company, so really whoever has this job in a few years... hahaha), HOWEVER, if MS drops Windows 7 support at any given moment, then BAM, we need new systems.

Home use is a different story.... I GAME at home..... and will always want a system capable of running the latest games at or above 45FPS on high settings.
Right now my 1090T and 280x still gives me that..... when that changes, then I will upgrade. I don't know if that's 6 months away, or 2 years away, but so far I'm good on all that upgrade jazz.... and trust me, I used to be BIG BIG BIG into the "jazz." thumb.gif

This is sort of off topic, but I want to address this because I see this point being made quite often.

A lot of people will look at reports that say the PC is dying or dead. However, they only look at units shipped from OEMs that ship entirely built systems, like Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. When someone does something like this and builds their own computers, the numbers for total OEM PC sales is affected.

So, in one of those "the PC are dying" articles, what AgentSmith did would not even count toward PC market share. Some analyst would conclude that AgentSmith's company decided to move to tablets or another mobile device that wasn't a PC. Because the cool analyst thing to do is to look at tablet and PC numbers, and then decide that if you're not buying OEM PCs, you're buying tablets.

Just thought I would vent. This is a perfect example of the sort of data that leads to "PC is dying!" I have no idea how many other companies would do this, but if it's common (and it should be, it's a huge cost saving measure), it would greatly affect OEM PC shipment numbers.
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This is sort of off topic, but I want to address this because I see this point being made quite often.

A lot of people will look at reports that say the PC is dying or dead. However, they only look at units shipped from OEMs that ship entirely built systems, like Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. When someone does something like this and builds their own computers, the numbers for total OEM PC sales is affected.

So, in one of those "the PC are dying" articles, what AgentSmith did would not even count toward PC market share. Some analyst would conclude that AgentSmith's company decided to move to tablets or another mobile device that wasn't a PC. Because the cool analyst thing to do is to look at tablet and PC numbers, and then decide that if you're not buying OEM PCs, you're buying tablets.

Just thought I would vent. This is a perfect example of the sort of data that leads to "PC is dying!" I have no idea how many other companies would do this, but if it's common (and it should be, it's a huge cost saving measure), it would greatly affect OEM PC shipment numbers.

Good point, but, I would add, that even if they sold a ton of OEM systems, they would primarily all be geared towards standard users anyways. There used to be a lot more retail systems at Best Buys and WalMart that were in the $2k range, and used pretty high end "specs," minus the graphic card usually. I say specs, versus components for obvious reasons.

These companies learned quickly that those systems sat on the shelf until they were obsolete....
Anyone looking for a high end system wanted it for a reason, and once people realized that building a computer was as easy as putting a 32 piece spongebob puzzle together, there was very little demand for high dollar retail desktop bundles. (we all know alienware was a gimmick for rich kids....)

Dell and HP got "hip" to all this, and began selling celeron systems with a monitor for $400 on sale at walmart (this is actually when AMD started making things REALLY interesting with the athlon), and because of the cheap components and mass production of the same parts, they were able to sell these systems for roughly what it would cost you to build them on your own and buy a monitor. This is as apposed to the several hundreds of dollars over build cost (let alone their cost) they were tacking onto the P4 w/HT systems...

Anyways, enough about that.... I am blocking myself from this thread now, just so I won't post again, haha, the OP disappeared days ago!
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I just built me a 8320e system and I couldn't be more happier. I just wanted to comment on why every keeps saying this the FX series is a dead socket. Yes the motherboards have stopped but the same could be said for LGA1150 87/97 series now. It just seems to get thrown around like a disease in the AMD forums. All sockets are dead end when the maker shift the next product AMD was the FM line chipset.
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I just built me a 8320e system and I couldn't be more happier. I just wanted to comment on why every keeps saying this the FX series is a dead socket. Yes the motherboards have stopped but the same could be said for LGA1150 87/97 series now. It just seems to get thrown around like a disease in the AMD forums. All sockets are dead end when the maker shift the next product AMD was the FM line chipset.
Particularly given how unimpressive DDR4 is, how little difference quad-channel RAM makes, and how insignificant PCIe 3 is (unless you're doing triple GPUs).

I just got a Crosshair Z, open box, with $40 off at Microcenter... something like $143 for the board. I didn't want to spend the money but I got tired of dealing with the bad VRM heat on the UD3P and decided to go whole hog and get a water loop. Since I needed to buy a new chip because my cooler + liquid pro destroyed my 8320E I wanted to take advantage of the $40 bundle discount. There is also a VRM/northbridge block for just the Crosshair, otherwise I would have went with the Sabertooth. Once I get the loop set up and see how hot the VRMs/northbridge run then I'd decide if I want to invest even more into this platform.

Yes, it's an old board and an old socket. But, really, I don't need anything that's more recent. The only thing I can think of is a headphone amp or something, but I usually don't use headphones. A faster SSD interface would be OK but I already have so many SSDs that I don't see myself buying any more in the next few years. It would be nice to have the chipset not be 65nm but it's not the end of the world either.

The machine is mainly doing H.265 encoding and I can game, surf, and do other work while that's going. I'm a quality nut so I have my videos set to "Very Slow." biggrin.gif But, for most writing and other busywork I'll use my laptop.
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