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I can't quote posts from my phone, but Xander I'll try that. I really like my router, it's really nice, but maybe it got jarred when I moved two months ago and something happened inside. I'll try the hardwire thing and see if it still craps out.

Postal, I'm not sure what you are referring to with DHCP reservation, what should I do, or rather how do I set that up? I am in an apartment and am familiar with noise, however I've used inSSIDer (I think that's the name) to check for signal issues on different channels and the like, and that doesn't seem to be the issue, especially with the 5 band.

I've had this router for about 13 months, do they usually die so quickly? I've only had one die on me before.

I'm going out of town tomorrow morning (the wifey and I are going to comic con in NYC!!) so I probably can't update on this issue until Sunday or Monday, but I will update if I have any luck.
as i said the wireless portion of mine crapped out a little more than a year after purchase, of course only 1 yr warranty, but hard wired connections still worked fine. Still using the router just for DHCP server and have a buffalo AC router for my AP
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Postal is trying to tell you to statically assign one IP address. His equipment must refer to this as DHCP reservation. It's simple to do but usually in different menus on different make network devices.

Noise is any interference that your devices have to deal with in order to communicate. Think of it like someone talking in between you and another person trying to have a conversation.

Just like a computer, a router will live a shorter life if it's exposed to more heat or a lot of use. 13 months isn't very long though, I'd expect more.

I don't have any experience with consoles tongue.gif So the best I can do is recommend they both be sold for a superior PC.
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Trogdor....great suggestion! I already have a beasty gaming PC though. 9370 @5ghz and 2x 290x all watercooled, haha. Consoles are for exclusives only, but I do prefer mouse+ keyboard for all gaming except TPS biggrin.gif... All I could upgrade is to Intel, so meh.
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Postal is trying to tell you to statically assign one IP address. His equipment must refer to this as DHCP reservation. It's simple to do but usually in different menus on different make network devices.

Noise is any interference that your devices have to deal with in order to communicate. Think of it like someone talking in between you and another person trying to have a conversation.

Just like a computer, a router will live a shorter life if it's exposed to more heat or a lot of use. 13 months isn't very long though, I'd expect more.

I don't have any experience with consoles tongue.gif So the best I can do is recommend they both be sold for a superior PC.

No, a static address isn't the same as DHCP address reservation.

DHCP reservation is the process of binding a NAT address (private address) to a device/MAC.

@Kayan

If you are in an apartment then noise is going to be an issue, and the basic spectrum analysis you did isn't going to show the entire story. It will only show 802.11 noise, and not carrier noise. It will also only show the spectrum usage at that moment, and to get an idea of how things function you would want to view that data over about an hour.

The reason for this is most home wireless products use a form of channel shifting to try and optimize around a noisy environment. Unfortunately it really doesn't work that well and can actually cause noise and problems. The reason for this is that a router will detect noise on a given channel, and then shift to another channel to get away from it - one with less noise. This will then cause noise on that new channel, causing another router that might be in close proximity (few apartments down as an example) to hop channels.

That channel hop causes noise for another radio, which forces a hop, forcing another device hop. Eventually what you have happening in situations where devices are in close proximity to each other start channel hopping due to self generated noise, degrading the spectrum performance. That is why those of us that operate Wireless ISPs disable Channel Shifting on our APs, to prevent this cycle of destruction that can bring down an entire network.

I would highly recommend getting direction external antennas for your router if you can, and direct those towards your hardware.
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No, a static address isn't the same as DHCP address reservation.

DHCP reservation is the process of binding a NAT address (private address) to a device/MAC.

@Kayan

If you are in an apartment then noise is going to be an issue, and the basic spectrum analysis you did isn't going to show the entire story. It will only show 802.11 noise, and not carrier noise. It will also only show the spectrum usage at that moment, and to get an idea of how things function you would want to view that data over about an hour.

The reason for this is most home wireless products use a form of channel shifting to try and optimize around a noisy environment. Unfortunately it really doesn't work that well and can actually cause noise and problems. The reason for this is that a router will detect noise on a given channel, and then shift to another channel to get away from it - one with less noise. This will then cause noise on that new channel, causing another router that might be in close proximity (few apartments down as an example) to hop channels.

That channel hop causes noise for another radio, which forces a hop, forcing another device hop. Eventually what you have happening in situations where devices are in close proximity to each other start channel hopping due to self generated noise, degrading the spectrum performance. That is why those of us that operate Wireless ISPs disable Channel Shifting on our APs, to prevent this cycle of destruction that can bring down an entire network.

I would highly recommend getting direction external antennas for your router if you can, and direct those towards your hardware.

That is very pertinent info my friend. +rep
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Had an Asus router(only good for about a month maybe 2) that was doing the same thing. Dropping constantly. 5ghz band just refused to work almost all together without a complete reset. The 2.4 was weak within my apartment. Hence my R7000 Nighthawk upgrade. No issues at all. The wife phone and the baby cam, and HTPC is on the 2.4 band and my Note 2 and chromecast is on the 5Ghz. Both gaming Pc's and Xbox(Madden and NFS only) is hardwired.
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No, a static address isn't the same as DHCP address reservation.

DHCP reservation is the process of binding a NAT address (private address) to a device/MAC.

@Kayan

If you are in an apartment then noise is going to be an issue, and the basic spectrum analysis you did isn't going to show the entire story. It will only show 802.11 noise, and not carrier noise. It will also only show the spectrum usage at that moment, and to get an idea of how things function you would want to view that data over about an hour.

The reason for this is most home wireless products use a form of channel shifting to try and optimize around a noisy environment. Unfortunately it really doesn't work that well and can actually cause noise and problems. The reason for this is that a router will detect noise on a given channel, and then shift to another channel to get away from it - one with less noise. This will then cause noise on that new channel, causing another router that might be in close proximity (few apartments down as an example) to hop channels.

That channel hop causes noise for another radio, which forces a hop, forcing another device hop. Eventually what you have happening in situations where devices are in close proximity to each other start channel hopping due to self generated noise, degrading the spectrum performance. That is why those of us that operate Wireless ISPs disable Channel Shifting on our APs, to prevent this cycle of destruction that can bring down an entire network.

I would highly recommend getting direction external antennas for your router if you can, and direct those towards your hardware.

+rep for you. Thanks for the detailed explanation. As far as noise goes though, I still don't believe that is the culprit. I used the inSSIDer program for hours at a time, in the same place as my consoles, I tested during peak hours and not. I picked my own channels for both bands, etc. One thing I forgot to do after the firmware upgrade was manually set the transmit power instead of leaving it on auto. I'll try that when I get home.

That being said, unfortunately my router has all internal antennae. So I def can't add them. My previous router crapped and I needed a replacement, and it was when most routers had internal antenna.
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+rep for you. Thanks for the detailed explanation. As far as noise goes though, I still don't believe that is the culprit. I used the inSSIDer program for hours at a time, in the same place as my consoles, I tested during peak hours and not. I picked my own channels for both bands, etc. One thing I forgot to do after the firmware upgrade was manually set the transmit power instead of leaving it on auto. I'll try that when I get home.

That being said, unfortunately my router has all internal antennae. So I def can't add them. My previous router crapped and I needed a replacement, and it was when most routers had internal antenna.

So I looked at the tool you are using, and it is a very basic spectrum analyzer, and isn't going to show anything out of 802.11. In other words, if there is another noise source that is passing through the spectrum, it won't show it. It is only capable of identifying those 802.11 sources....

That said, if you are comfortable with the idea that it isn't noise, honestly being in an apartment I wouldn't be too comfortable saying that, then I would go back to my original post and suggestion that your router is just dying. If at all possible, try and borrow another router from someone and see if the issue still persists....

Oh, and noise sources that won't show up on your spectrum analyzer.

  • Microwave ovens - these typically operate in the upper ~2.4 Ghz spectrum and can cause noise when in use. Microwave is microwave, in a little box heating food or over the air, RF is a hell of a thing.
  • Washer/Dryers that might not be fully grounded or plugged in - really any electric appliance. You can get a short that collapses and causes a transient spike that ejects RF, and bleeds through RF spectrum wiping out whatever is near by - this is very exotic and highly unlikely.
  • Cordless phones - these little beasts LOVE to fail and just destroy 5.8.

Just some food for thought. My next step would be to try a replacement router at this point, preferably one with directional external antenna.
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  • Microwave ovens - these typically operate in the upper 5 Ghz spectrum and can cause noise when in use. Microwave is microwave, in a little box heating food or over the air, RF is a hell of a thing.
  • Washer/Dryers that might not be fully grounded or plugged in - really any electric appliance. You can get a short that collapses and causes a transient spike that ejects RF, and bleeds through RF spectrum wiping out whatever is near by - this is very exotic and highly unlikely.
  • Cordless phones - these little beasts LOVE to fail and just destroy 5.8.

Just some food for thought. My next step would be to try a replacement router at this point, preferably one with directional external antenna.

All of these are not even within 30ft (including walls and other things) from any of my equipment, and we don't have a home phone at all.

Anyway, I got home Sunday night, and wham....my NAT switched itself to Moderate for the XB1, and my desktop was dropping from the network (and it's wired, haha). TV still won't connect, and my tablet has dropped once. I think we're just going to get a new router, but what to get? So many choices.

I dunno if I should get the D-Link 880l, Linksys WRT1900AC, ASUS RT-AC87u, or the one of the Nighthawks? I need reliable and open NAT. Dual band is a must. My wife works from home, and reliability is the most important thing. Would like to order this today.
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First off is UPNP enabled on your router? If it is and you are having this issue then it might be time for a new router. Both that ASUS and the Night Hawk are great routers. I personally have the nighthawk and it has been great in my home.
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