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To all you guys I was talking to earlier, saying that microsoft is just "moving in a new direction". That may be true, but just look at what's happening to them overall, as a company. They used to be the top dog, no question, everyone else was a distant second. Now they're second, third, and fourth in almost every category. The only thing they really have left where they're the leader, is what they've always had, the desktop OS. If you look at all their other business ventures, (excluding xbox) they've pretty much all been failures. The stuff they buy out or buy into just never takes off. Zune, IE, buying myspace, Microsoft TV, the list just goes on and on. The way I see it, just about everything they try to change, or get into, doesn't work out. So I really wouldn't be surprised at all to find that people really don't like this, and aren't really going to participate in it, in the way that Microsoft wants.

And it all goes back to their whole idea of doing business. "The customer doesn't matter, and we don't care what they want", is their mantra. Always has been. Look at what they tried to pull with the new xbox, but they got shouted down. Their mantra has been much more along the lines of "Try and force or corral them into a position that benefits us". They've proven that over and over and over. And that's just not going to fly anymore. Others are stepping up to the plate who are much more customer friendly, and have a much better attitude towards them in general.

And the tinfoil hat is a bad analogy here, cause everyone is already wearing it. We all already know the spying and monitoring is going on, per Snowden's big reveal. So I'm only talking about what's actually happening, not what some paranoid people think is happening.

that's absolutely true, they have always been the "we dont care what the customer wants" company. But now they've done a 180, basically trying to out-Apple Apple, using Apple's own playbook. And they seem to be winning at it.

I see a company that got way too full of its own success and lost ground to the new kids on the block (Apple, Google, etc) and now they've completely changed course under new management. They've evolved. And so far, I'd say it's a bad bet to bet against them. I'd even go so far as to predict that 3 years from now, Windows Mobile will be a major player rivaling Google & Apple.

This post made so much damn sense my head almost exploded. Seriously, thank you for cutting through all the nonsense and seeing the big picture.

You're correct in your assumption that MS is truly the sleeping giant. Hell, their apps for Android are superior to anything on Android (save for Outlook, but that will soon change too). One Drive is awesome.

The problem is that MS spent so many years trying to lock people into a mindless thought process that nothing better will ever come out. Truth is, Apple's OS had been superior to Windows, until 7 came along. The playing field leveled at that point a bit. 8 was a disaster and 10 is shaping up to be really good.

They now understand that if they open up services on other platforms, they beat both Apple and Google to the punch, and if people really like those services, then they'll eventually ditch whatever they're on to go with them. It's a Trojan Horse that's got neon lights all over it. Apple could have given Windows Garage Band, iMovie, and iPhoto. Google could have put their apps out on Windows. Did they? No. And now they're going to regret it.

The Surface line is absolutely amazing, Windows 10 for mobile will be really good if it works, and they now have a new Maps company that will really put Google Maps to the test.

All in all, my money is on MS to be the next big thing, again.
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This post made so much damn sense my head almost exploded. Seriously, thank you for cutting through all the nonsense and seeing the big picture.

You're correct in your assumption that MS is truly the sleeping giant. Hell, their apps for Android are superior to anything on Android (save for Outlook, but that will soon change too). One Drive is awesome.

The problem is that MS spent so many years trying to lock people into a mindless thought process that nothing better will ever come out. Truth is, Apple's OS had been superior to Windows, until 7 came along. The playing field leveled at that point a bit. 8 was a disaster and 10 is shaping up to be really good.

They now understand that if they open up services on other platforms, they beat both Apple and Google to the punch, and if people really like those services, then they'll eventually ditch whatever they're on to go with them. It's a Trojan Horse that's got neon lights all over it. Apple could have given Windows Garage Band, iMovie, and iPhoto. Google could have put their apps out on Windows. Did they? No. And now they're going to regret it.

The Surface line is absolutely amazing, Windows 10 for mobile will be really good if it works, and they now have a new Maps company that will really put Google Maps to the test.

All in all, my money is on MS to be the next big thing, again.

It's refreshing to see people optimistic about Windows mobile phone and other platforms. The podcast listen to [windows weekly] is extremely pessimistic about it. In fact they go so far as to describe its current state as just barely re-named abandonment of the platform (one host compares it to Amiga in the late 80s/90s). And the outlook for the main Windows OS is only slightly better. I just wish i could be more optimistic about windows mobile.
 
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It's refreshing to see people optimistic about Windows mobile phone and other platforms. The podcast listen to [windows weekly] is extremely pessimistic about it. In fact they go so far as to describe its current state as just barely re-named abandonment of the platform (one host compares it to Amiga in the late 80s/90s). And the outlook for the main Windows OS is only slightly better. I just wish i could be more optimistic about windows mobile.

Honestly, I think most people have a very hard time looking farther than 10 feet in front of them. It's easy to look back at MS's history, then at where things stand TODAY, and conclude that Windows Mobile is doomed to failure. I, on the other hand, see a company so determined to own the tablet space that they've eaten BILLIONS of dollars in losses getting to the point where finally their device is considered the standard. And that company is far too smart not to realize that they CANNOT abandon the mobile space until they own it. And they're throwing everything they've got toward that end. Windows 10 desktop OS....Surface Pro....Surface Book....Cortana..... See the progression here? It's all about making Windows Mobile the next logical step, to the point where when you buy your next phone you're going to think to yourself "why should I buy another Android/iPhone when every other device I use is Windows?"

Mark my words, they'll reach the destination or the whole ship will go down trying.
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It's refreshing to see people optimistic about Windows mobile phone and other platforms. The podcast listen to [windows weekly] is extremely pessimistic about it. In fact they go so far as to describe its current state as just barely re-named abandonment of the platform (one host compares it to Amiga in the late 80s/90s). And the outlook for the main Windows OS is only slightly better. I just wish i could be more optimistic about windows mobile.

I loved my Amigia!!

I listen to that podcast too, im a fan.
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Still wish I had your optimism chrisnyc75. Maybe I'm just getting old. The problem is developers are not coming to Windows desktop either. The windows store (for windows 8, been around for years) is still pretty sad. There are various bluetooth accessories that still aren't for android even now never mind Windows phone. Not trying to dump on it, just trying to face reality.

There has been talk of some kind of android compatibility layer...if they do that they've pretty much given up on what made windows phone special and different. It'd be just another UI with a grid of icons and maybe some widgets. That's not much reason to get a windows phone over android though. Also, it's pretty decided verizon will not be doing Windows phones at all.

From the last thing I heard (the Windows Weekly hosts seem to know what they're talking about) there will be a couple flagship phones over the next 6 months or so but will be largely online order only. They're not going to sell a lot of phones in other words. And I don't think there are any OEMs left at all (no HTC or samsung). Not in north america anyway. Maybe it's different in asia, europe, africa and/or south america (more OEMs in those regions). Those areas are most likely going to be almost exclusively low end devices (if not entirely).

Sorry to sound so pessimistic. I'm kind of rooting - so to speak - for Windows phone. For the competition to force android/iOS to take it up a notch on both the OS side and the hardware side. Really not seeing it though.

Seems like MS could have come out of the gate with some really fantastic apps when they launched the OS. Some terrific exclusive games. Maybe take 20% off the top instead of 30% for the app store. That would entice developers, right? Maybe a way to tie in things on the phone with games on the 360. But...nothin'. Seems [to me] like they kind of half-assed it from day one..
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It is a hard market to break into.

In some ways many people use APPS that are glorified websites and many of these websites now just display something like that on all phones built in browsers.

This helps have a cross platform website that works on all phones/tablets.
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Still wish I had your optimism chrisnyc75. Maybe I'm just getting old. The problem is developers are not coming to Windows desktop either. The windows store (for windows 8, been around for years) is still pretty sad. There are various bluetooth accessories that still aren't for android even now never mind Windows phone. Not trying to dump on it, just trying to face reality.

There has been talk of some kind of android compatibility layer...if they do that they've pretty much given up on what made windows phone special and different. It'd be just another UI with a grid of icons and maybe some widgets. That's not much reason to get a windows phone over android though. Also, it's pretty decided verizon will not be doing Windows phones at all.

From the last thing I heard (the Windows Weekly hosts seem to know what they're talking about) there will be a couple flagship phones over the next 6 months or so but will be largely online order only. They're not going to sell a lot of phones in other words. And I don't think there are any OEMs left at all (no HTC or samsung). Not in north america anyway. Maybe it's different in asia, europe, africa and/or south america (more OEMs in those regions). Those areas are most likely going to be almost exclusively low end devices (if not entirely).

Sorry to sound so pessimistic. I'm kind of rooting - so to speak - for Windows phone. For the competition to force android/iOS to take it up a notch on both the OS side and the hardware side. Really not seeing it though.

Seems like MS could have come out of the gate with some really fantastic apps when they launched the OS. Some terrific exclusive games. Maybe take 20% off the top instead of 30% for the app store. That would entice developers, right? Maybe a way to tie in things on the phone with games on the 360. But...nothin'. Seems [to me] like they kind of half-assed it from day one..

Yeah, MS totally screwed the pooch when it comes to Apps, I totally agree with you there. I suspect they equated "Windows" with already having thousands (millions?) of applications out there, so why build a specialized "app store"? Epic fail. And now, app designers won't bother building or even porting their apps for Windows Mobile because there's virtually no market out there. But now that they've turned the "metro" interface in Windows 10 into something people are actually willing to at least consider using, I think that's going to change. Once there's a market for Windows Mobile apps, the devs will build/port them. Microsoft's "unified OS" approach is the right one; their only shot at survival in this ever-increasingly mobile world is to capitalize on the one thing they have that nobody else does -- an existing "relationship" with every PC user on the planet. Sooner or later, our Windows 10 desktop will look very much like a Windows 10 mobile device interface, and it will run the same apps. At that point, you, I, and everybody else on the planet will have to question why we're bothering to use Windows on our PC and Android or iOS on our mobile device, when we could have absolute synergy between the two. Trying to force it down our throats (Windows 8) was the wrong approach. Holding our hand and slowly guiding us from one "new treat" to the next (Windows 10) is the right one. It will take time, but they will get there. They really have no choice, unless they want to become the next Blockbuster Video.

I also think a lot of this could hinge on whether or not the Edge browser picks up. The announcement that they're opening the door to add-ons is a good sign, but the fact that it's been delayed until sometime next year isn't. And given Windows's obvious tendency to be open to viruses, I suspect we'll see MS keep a chokingly tight grip on Edge add-ons, much as they did with IE. I was a huge fan of Edge when I first tried it, but after a few months I grew tired of not even being able to use my password manager & antivirus add-ons at least, and I've gone back to Firefox & Chrome. If they could manage to get people on to Edge, then bring Edge to mobile (much as Google has done with Chrome) that would go a long way toward getting people to think about Windows phones as a viable option. But on this, I'd say odds are 70/30 at best, and not in Microsoft's favor.

and p.s., I may be many things, but I'm nobody's "optimist". lol But I know business, and I know a good bet when I see one.
Edited by chrisnyc75 - 11/4/15 at 6:34am
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I just installed Windows 10 on a new PC and I'm very disappointed with its gaming performance. At this point I'm sure it is still just driver problems. SLI does not work for me in BF4. I get periodic frame drops in every game that I have played. I like the OS and would like to stick with it, but the performance is unacceptable. I am getting a 950 Pro at the end of the week and at this point am planning on reverting back to 8.1. Are Win 10 drivers still just bad or are other people not having these problems?
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I just installed Windows 10 on a new PC and I'm very disappointed with its gaming performance. At this point I'm sure it is still just driver problems. SLI does not work for me in BF4. I get periodic frame drops in every game that I have played. I like the OS and would like to stick with it, but the performance is unacceptable. I am getting a 950 Pro at the end of the week and at this point am planning on reverting back to 8.1. Are Win 10 drivers still just bad or are other people not having these problems?

I haven't done much gaming on mine lately, but I know that DirectX works a bit differently in Windows 10 than it did in 7 or even 8. My graphics benchmarks are higher in 10 than they are in either 8 or 7, though, so your problem may be game-specific or more driver-related than OS?

There's also some funky SLI memory leak bugs with certain nvidia drivers.... make sure you're using the latest package? (or maybe research which recent nvidia driver version is recommended for BF4 with SLI?)
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I need to do some more research and figure out if they are problems I can fix or not. I was hoping maybe someone in this thread had similar experiences and/or solutions.

I am willing to go to some effort to get it run right because I do like the OS. However, if its going to be too problematic I will just use 8.1 for now. The only real reason for W10 is DX12 and it will be a while before there are any games that I play that can make use of the new features. Maybe waiting another 6 to 12 months for drivers to mature is the best option.
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