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First of all, our conversation is about Windows Phone. The other products are irrelevant to the conversation.
That was to make a larger point of MS's recent failures but that went over your head.
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Secondly, your post said nothing about the success or failure of the products listed. You said, and I quote:
You are equating the products without explaining HOW they are equated. You then follow it up with a blatantly false statement that Microsoft is sacrificing design quality and "understanding consumer demand" in favor of "advertising and lots of it."
Are you real?

They're not equated, when I go to say they're all sacrificing design for advertising? Maybe you are right that this is pointless, you're not really comprehending me.
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Well, you're right on one aspect. Consumers want the Android/iOS experience (mainly because they dominate the market due to being out so long), and it is quite evident that both of those systems "borrow" (read: steal) ideas quite heavily from each other. That being known, I think WindowsPhone can be forgiven for thinking outside the box and actually developing their own system without stealing from the competition.
My issue isn't stealing or a lack thereof. I want an OS that doesn't choose a design style that prioritizes form to function.

Naturally other things are important to me.
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On the topic of market dominance, the reason why Android and iOS dominate is because they've been out longer. iOS came out June 29, 2007. Android came out September 23, 2008. Windows Phone didn't debut in America until November 8, 2010. That's two and three years of market dominance to overcome, during which time all that people had were iOS and Android (BlackBerry was specifically geared towards corporate and business use, not consumer). That's a tough hurdle to overcome.
But I'm sure you can tell me how superior winphone is and how it'll steal the market by storm.

It really only serves to highlight the business model they operate on. Extend everywhere, don't necessarily do it better. Previously good designs have been scrapped for advertising. Bing is crap but the advertising will say plenty otherwise.
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And people with dumbphones who accessed emails faced data usage charges that were not exactly conducive to a healthy wallet, so most people never even bothered. Additionally, while e-mail through phone was possible, it was not always reliable and it wasn't like people could access their Yahoo or GMail...
Oh gee look how different that is from right now where we pay for data tongue.gif. Its not like dumbphones with these features in this day and age are impossible either.
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If I believed you to be an expert on the subject matter or even qualified to give an opinion, I would have simply accepted you at your word. However, your unwillingness to back up your arguments and your flagrant use of falsehoods in a vain attempt to convince people that Windows Phone is inferior merely because you happen to dislike it have shown you to be either unknowingly misinformed or deliberately ignorant.
I'm working backwards through your post and I'm quickly realizing its a whole bunch of nonsense. Empty words lacking any real substance. Have you tried refuting me?

Now that I've gone through your entire post I can safely say you made an attempt, not a great one or one where you tried too hard but an attempt nonetheless.
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Yeah, that would be you. Your irrational dislike of Windows Phone is very palpable and quite annoying.
Very irrational. So irrational you're unable to bring anything to show it.

Nice of you to start doing research, a little less projecting a little more of that and you might actually have a point.
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Furthermore, your unwillingness to address all points of the discussion, your cherry picking of arguments, your use of generalized statements, and your willingness to tell flagrant falsehoods tells me that you have no wish to actually discuss the matter, only to further your irrational dislike of Windows.
>accuses me of generalized statements
>post so general its MS's bulletdodging talking points
Lol
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Samsung does not give a damn about stealing.
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First of all, our conversation is about Windows Phone. The other products are irrelevant to the conversation.
That was to make a larger point of MS's recent failures but that went over your head.

You're comparing apples to potatoes. Microsofts wins or failures is not the point, especially considering that Windows Phone is doing quite well for being three years behind the competition.
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Secondly, your post said nothing about the success or failure of the products listed. You said, and I quote:
You are equating the products without explaining HOW they are equated. You then follow it up with a blatantly false statement that Microsoft is sacrificing design quality and "understanding consumer demand" in favor of "advertising and lots of it."
Are you real?

They're not equated, when I go to say they're all sacrificing design for advertising? Maybe you are right that this is pointless, you're not really comprehending me.

If that it is true, it's because you're speaking in nonsense and doublespeak, then going back and saying that you didn't say something when you very clearly did.
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Well, you're right on one aspect. Consumers want the Android/iOS experience (mainly because they dominate the market due to being out so long), and it is quite evident that both of those systems "borrow" (read: steal) ideas quite heavily from each other. That being known, I think WindowsPhone can be forgiven for thinking outside the box and actually developing their own system without stealing from the competition.
My issue isn't stealing or a lack thereof.

Neither is mine. I was merely using the theft accusation (an accusation made in both camps because of the similarities in apps, softwas, and general style with iOS and Android) to illustrate that it's a good thing that Microsoft went out of its way to develop a phone OS that is easy to use and is different from Android and iOS.
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I want an OS that doesn't choose a design style that prioritizes form to function.

You're saying the Windows Phone is form over function? Are you kidding me? Windows Phone is very intuitive and only proves itself problematic to those who expect it to be like Android or iOS.
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Naturally other things are important to me.

Like what? Proving that Android is better no matter what, even if you wind up looking like a rabid fanboy? Protip: Instead of arguing against Windows Phone, which you have so clearly demonstrated exactly zero knowledge, why not try arguing in favor of your OS of choice?
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On the topic of market dominance, the reason why Android and iOS dominate is because they've been out longer. iOS came out June 29, 2007. Android came out September 23, 2008. Windows Phone didn't debut in America until November 8, 2010. That's two and three years of market dominance to overcome, during which time all that people had were iOS and Android (BlackBerry was specifically geared towards corporate and business use, not consumer). That's a tough hurdle to overcome.
But I'm sure you can tell me how superior winphone is and how it'll steal the market by storm.

No, I won't. I don't make statements that I cannot quantify.
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It really only serves to highlight the business model they operate on. Extend everywhere, don't necessarily do it better. Previously good designs have been scrapped for advertising. Bing is crap but the advertising will say plenty otherwise.

We. Are. Not. Talking. About. Bing. Or. Windows 8. Or. The. XBOne. Get that through your skull. Two are unrelated to Windows Phone entirely, and the third is only related because it happens to be an operating system as well.

Please cite an instance, even a single instance, of an instance with Windows Phone where a "previously good design" has "been scrapped for advertising."

Oh wait... Since you have a demonstrably lacking knowledge of Windows Phone, it's highly doubtful you could do so.
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And people with dumbphones who accessed emails faced data usage charges that were not exactly conducive to a healthy wallet, so most people never even bothered. Additionally, while e-mail through phone was possible, it was not always reliable and it wasn't like people could access their Yahoo or GMail...
Oh gee look how different that is from right now where we pay for data tongue.gif. Its not like dumbphones with these features in this day and age are impossible either.

Paying on a data plan is cheaper overall than paying for data as you use it.
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If I believed you to be an expert on the subject matter or even qualified to give an opinion, I would have simply accepted you at your word. However, your unwillingness to back up your arguments and your flagrant use of falsehoods in a vain attempt to convince people that Windows Phone is inferior merely because you happen to dislike it have shown you to be either unknowingly misinformed or deliberately ignorant.
I'm working backwards through your post and I'm quickly realizing its a whole bunch of nonsense. Empty words lacking any real substance. Have you tried refuting me?

Now that I've gone through your entire post I can safely say you made an attempt, not a great one or one where you tried too hard but an attempt nonetheless.

Very nice. I tell you that you aren't arguing in good faith, and you respond by making the same claims. Very original. How droll.
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Yeah, that would be you. Your irrational dislike of Windows Phone is very palpable and quite annoying.
Very irrational. So irrational you're unable to bring anything to show it.

...and that made exactly zero sense. Nice try. Thank you for playing. Goodbye.
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Nice of you to start doing research, a little less projecting a little more of that and you might actually have a point.

Again with the feeble attempts to accuse me of the same thing you are guilty of.
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Furthermore, your unwillingness to address all points of the discussion, your cherry picking of arguments, your use of generalized statements, and your willingness to tell flagrant falsehoods tells me that you have no wish to actually discuss the matter, only to further your irrational dislike of Windows.
>accuses me of generalized statements
>post so general its MS's bulletdodging talking points
Lol

Oooookay, dude. Whatever. Have fun with whatever OS you want. It's your choice.

I choose Windows.
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