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Must be crap. One of the best selling game series ever and likely Fallout series and Elder scrolls are the most anticipated games ever.

Are you trying to say that because these games sell well, that means the engine isn't garbage?
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Yes. If it was as bad as you say, how could people play it? Name one game that has such a truly open world.
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Must be crap. One of the best selling game series ever and likely Fallout series and Elder scrolls are the most anticipated games ever.
sells well and the engine being crap aren't related at all...the engine had always had a lot of flaws it doesn't take away from the games being great it just created a few headaches sometimes
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Yes. If it was as bad as you say, how could people play it? Name one game that has such a truly open world.

LOL. Grand Theft Auto V? Just Cause series (terrible but they are open world)? Recent Far Cry games probably.

"If it was as bad as you say" - Well I didn't elaborate. I didn't say the engine was so bad that the games are literally unplayable, I just said it's crap. To you, as long as it works then it isn't crap, which is a terrible mindset that doesn't lead to evolution. Anyone who has any experience developing with any engine wouldn't say otherwise. Some of its biggest issues are:

  • Frame rate tied to physics.
  • Poor multithread/multicore usage, leading to CPU bottlenecks.
  • Shadow maps rendered by CPU, leading to CPU bottlenecks.
  • Infamously inflexible. Replace too many meshes and then it becomes unstable in various ways and becomes a crashfest. Very strict terrain limitations, try to exceed it and it breaks in many ways and again becomes a crashfest.

Bethesda's games (Bethesda Game Studios that is) and the ArmA franchise are in more need of a new engine than any other game. It's horribly outdated compared to even Unity 5, let alone CryEngine 3 much less CryEngine 5 much less Unreal Engine 4.

But yes, despite this, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, and especially Fallout: New Vegas are all excellent games. New Vegas arguably accomplishes more than any other game in existence. Fallout 4 isn't bad either.
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Must be crap. One of the best selling game series ever and likely Fallout series and Elder scrolls are the most anticipated games ever.

Calm down, there. He's talking about the engine, not the game.

If you think the 'revampted' and 'tweaked' engine in FO4 isn't crap, then you're sorely mistaken. The game is STILL not using GPUs properly in situations where it's clearly necessary. Let's not get started on 'SLI support'.
 
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This is the issue I was having as you can imagine its really disorientating.
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This is the issue I was having as you can imagine its really disorientating.

Again nothing wrong per say with what your seeing. The only thing that is wrong is that your trying to run the game well over 60 frames.
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Again nothing wrong per say with what your seeing. The only thing that is wrong is that your trying to run the game well over 60 frames.

I run everything else over 60fps... never had this issue before. This is Overclock.net, I'm running everything over what I should be running it at. I run CSGO at 300fps lol, Never ran into an issue where a game engine's speed is tied to it's fps.

I can see why they locked the frames to 60fps on release but why did they unlock it and not have a "enable V-Sync" setting in the game?
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I run everything else over 60fps... never had this issue before. This is Overclock.net, I'm running everything over what I should be running it at. I run CSGO at 300fps lol, Never ran into an issue where a game engine's speed is tied to it's fps.

I can see why they locked the frames to 60fps on release but why did they unlock it and not have a "enable V-Sync" setting in the game?

They never added a V-Sync toggle option because the engine goes nuts over 75 FPS. That's more generous than Skyrim actually, which goes bananas starting at 61 FPS. Although Fallout 4's V-Sync has been problematic for AMD cards at least earlier on, syncing them to 30 FPS even on high end cards. Mine was synced to 72 FPS by default, so 1/2 my refresh rate.
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No engine comes close to working like the creation engine. Those games you compare don't have the complete freedom of movement. No game but Bethesda does. Except for the edges of the world map, there is no place you can't go. You do something one one side of the world, the effects are rendered even if you are on the other side of the world. Just because it isn't perfect in your eyes, doesn't mean it sucks. No engine like it exists. It is quite efficient. And most people who don't mod don't have problems with the game. Every game has glitches.

Though they fall short on SLI and crossfire support. Small market.
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